Zelmor

9 hours ago, SilverSeraph said:

You can get it print on demand at drivethrurpg but it's a bit pricey at $75.

Also, if you're looking to pick up The Great Pendragon Campaign, buy it on the mobile version of the site. For some reason the hard back version still appears for sale that way, but not on the desktop site. I can confirm I got it this way.  

Having purchased in the past from Drivethru, the print on demand quality is not worth the money in my opinion.

Title. I was browsing the shop and noticed it is not available anymore.

Some of you seem to be missing the point. I'm talking about coherency within a product line, with timely releases and something meaningful for new customers to keep coming back for. Fuel on the fire if you will.

What you are suggesting, reaching back to older published books and working with those, brings up the question: why even invest in the new RQ:G product line then? It's an obvious poor choice compared to the older RQ editions, which by the way are now out of print just like the HQ stuff. But that is not how it is sold. It is sold as the definitive edition to go for if you want Glorantha. And that is simply not true. 

And as for taking pride in waiting 40 years for the heroquest guidelines and rules that are yet undelivered, well, that's a very lame claim to fame in my book. I hope you get it before you croak, but that is not how I want to go about my hobby.

Anyway, my slipcase box set is now up for sale in the Netherlands. Hit me up in private if you want it.

Please do not try to sidetrack the conversation into 'what kind of guidance do you need' or point at older product lines to spend time and money hunting for things. I don't know what I want in a GM guide. It is not my job to figure that out. I am the end consumer of the product and would like assistance on running the game, so that I have a reason to come back and buy the next book they publish. My time is mine to spend as I see fit, and it doesn't involve copious hours of researching old editions and their source books.

This derailing attitude is apologist bullshit. CoC has a Keeper's Handbook and an Investigator's Handbook, 300+ page beginner friendly campaign books, campaigns for different settings along the globe, god knows what else. What does RQ:G has, three years down the line? TWO (!) beginner products, an unfinished main product that is the slipcase set, one book with some spells and one with some weapon tables, and two loosely connected adventure books. This is what you roll out in the first year of a well planned out product like to keep a heartbeat for the game. No setting info, no material for a new GM to work with. Three years down the road after relaunch, why doesn't RQ:G is treated the same by Chaosium as CoC is? 

I spent money in hopes that there is a vision for the line, that they want to stand on two legs and not just ride the Cthulhu train until retirement. The unfinished slipcase set is sold as an entry into Glorantha, with a promise of a GM guide following soon. Yet, this promise seems to have been forgotten. There are no books on the peoples, cultures, cults, societies, the setting that is the strength of this whole product. Not to mention the supporting material in a proper GM guide to help GMs sell the game onto their players who haven't played King of Dragon Pass.

What I would like is communication. From @Jeff or anyone in the position to say something, anything, beyond the vague 'we can't communicate nor estimate so there's that' thing that I've already found while looking for some clarification on the timeline.

I was expecting people defending the current situation, but this is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not as emotionally invested like many here are, so I'm not making excuses for a for-profit company not delivering on their promises and seemingly not giving the smaller child the attention it would need to grow up and become an adult. As it is, Glorantha is obscure and hard to get into past the content of the beginner pack. Even harder than GURPS and Transhuman Space. No wonder people just play DnD and never hear about this setting.

1 minute ago, Squaredeal Sten said:

Runequest began in the 1980s with no GM guide.  And plenty of people are GMing now without one.  Maybe most of us already have a pretty good idea of how to gamemaster. 

It would be nice to have the heroquesting rules, which we know have been playtested in various versions, but that's not a deal breaker as we already have at least two fan-based models plus Arcane Lore.

So,  I could GM better, "there's always room for improvement' as the cliche goes, and I'm willing to read advice.  But I'm not stuck doing nothing waiting for that book.  It's too bad Zelmor feels that way.

 

Wow, what a great attitude. This sure is a welcoming and supportive community I'm glad to be participating in. 

Please allow me to add a couple decades of experience to my meager existence that started in the mid '80s and haven't rotated around this RPG since.

Truly I am to blame.

1 hour ago, Soccercalle said:

2020 gave us one book with scenarios, a coloring book and a book with spells. 2021 gave us a (great) starter set and the pdf of Weapons & Equipment. 2022 will in a week give us a hardbound copy of W&E. A causal observer would easily think that Chaosium is abondoning the RQG product line. I know that there are many great things in the pipeline. But we can't expect most potential customers to join forums or FB groups to be aware of that. And in the long run the system is dependent on new customers.

This strikes the nail on the head. No communication, no release date, not a whole lot in the form of expanding the product line in a meaningful way. In the meantime, look at Mongoose pushing hard on their Traveller edition. You might not like the way things are done there, but as a new Referee, I'm showered with options and products on a regular basis. I bought and kick-started all the JTAS volumes, bought adventures, got the core books. That got me interested in older editions of the game, so I even gos the original books and older source books to read for fun. Most importantly, we play that game and people love it.

Compare this to the RQ books on my shelf, which have by now accumulated a thick later of dust, with no change is sight. It may not be the legal state, but for all intents and purposes, it is a dead and abandoned game. 

This will keep me from buying into Pendragon also. I wish Cthulhu was my thing, alas it is not.

3 hours ago, soltakss said:

There are several big things coming up.

These things take time.

We have been waiting for over 40 years for the HeroQuesting rules, so I, personally, can wait a little longer.

This is not a defendable position I'm afraid, that something didn't happen for 40 years so we have to wait more. I will be selling my books it seems. I purchased the box set, source book and the red cow campaign book in the hopes that the company has a release schedule and will be slowly filling the void that is left by not including a GM book in the initial release. Keep in mind Earthdawn's newer editions did include the GM book in the initial release line when they decided to split the core book into two volumes. And that is not a new and hip product line or fantasy world either.

The lack of a GM book is why I'm not not able to realize my dreams of running the Red Cow Clan campaign. I need some guidance as an inexperienced RQ GM who didn't start in the 80s, and no, not in the form of forum posts from old-timers.

Not to derail, but I didn't understand the the need for a started package either, when there is no GM book. I'm not being helped as a new player by that release, and thus skipped it altogether. The reason we don't play RQ in my group is because I as a GM I have no grounds on which to build my work. So we play other things while our interest in Glorantha slowly fades away.

I got the boxed set 3 years ago, been waiting since. Any news of this? I'm kinda bummed how abandoned this product line feels. 

Does anyone know what happened to Mad Knight miniatures? He was supposed to run a KS this year for the Glorantha skirmish game ruleset and new miniatures. However, the facebook user and its associated group is now gone, with the website saying 'Our new website will be launched in Febuary/March 2021'. 

Here's hoping he is in good health.

3d printing renders look great, but I'm yet to receive a single order that lives up to expectations.

What is meant by premium print here?

I didn't know where to ask, so I'm polluting this thread: 

Are there any estimates (even if one taken with salt) for the release of 6th edition, and if there will be an accompanying update to the Pendragon Campaign, or at least a conversion document from 5e to 6e for said campaign?

Contrary to popular belief, GW's warhammer line is not 28mm in scale. Their current line varies between 28-32mm, and GW doesn't state scale either. They are trending towards 'bigger is better' sadly.

I was hoping the rules would be out by now. Alas, it is probably in COVID/BREXIT hell. 

MadKnight miniatures kickstarter is coming up, fyi.