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  1. 1 hour ago, Sir_Godspeed said:

     but ultimately it's the Full Sun (ie. Yelm and his cognates) who makes plants blossom and grow, as a constitutent part of Grower.

    I wonder if that isn't really the case. In Glorantha, it may well be just the Light that matters for (plant) fertility, and not the warmth. Fire (in the guise of Oakfed) is after all a pretty major enemy of the forests. If that is the case, then light without heat (Yelmalio) would be exactly the sort of god elves would appreciate.

    That said, I wonder if the elves have a god or named spirit for the smaller* fires that clear out underbrush/etc without harming trees. Or is such worship limited to isolate cults of Eucalyptus-Elf heretics? 

    * smaller than Oakfed-fires, but still quite terrifying for anything smaller than an established tree.

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  2. This seems like a good place to tease a wee bit of the upcoming Trollpack material...


    With the universe turned on its head, and the natural order inverted, it was inevitable that the cracks beneath Arrquong’s well would widen, and leak horrors into the broken world. Bad Man, Weak Woman, and Traitor Spirit performed unspeakable acts, and together vomited forth the Devil. The Devil performed many terrible and unforgivable deeds, but by far the most foul was the destruction of the Great Queendom and the Spike at the center of the world.

    The destruction of the Center breaks the underworld into Ten Thousand Hells. Each one an isolated fragment of what was there before. Most of them are consumed by chaos and vanish as if they had never existed, Half of those that remain are corrupted so badly that no one can visit. Half of the ones that can be visited have been lost, and no one knows how to reach them. As a result, only one piece in ten of the original underworld remained to be bound by the great web, and can be reached by mortals within the bounds of time, and each of those has been damaged or corrupted to some degree.

    Humans claim to know of as many as nine distinct hells, but Uz can reach many many more than that. Most are terrible, broken places that offer little more than novel ways to suffer and die. Others provide subtle variations on the common themes of better known fragments of the underworld. Each major pantheon has at least one fragment of their own, where their devout dead go to await rebirth, and where their gods of darkness and death hold court. Important and well-known myths can overlap many such fragments, providing some modicum of stability to scenes shared by many gods and peoples. But nothing in the underworld is ever entirely certain.

    Connections between the thousand hells are irrational and ever-changing. It is common to shift unexpectedly from one reality to another in regions where the underworlds diverge or combine, and there is no map that can accurately predict where or when such events might occur. Even established and well-rehearsed myths might change drastically from one telling to another. Each of the underworld scenes described above have multiple reflections in the Thousand Hells, along with innumerable other locations, events, and happenings.


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  3. On 7/21/2019 at 6:17 PM, g33k said:

    ... or anywhere, really?

    I mean, that whole "black eater" thing, and what-goes-into-the-dark-doesn't-come-back-out, and etc etc etc ...

    Biologically, "excretion" is getting rid of the indigestible parts of what you consume... But trolls seem to digest everything.  So... no undigested parts to excrete?

    So they don't "do" anything excretory... anywhere?

    Enquiring Minds are pretty sure they're gonna regret it, frankly... But they still wanna know.

    Uzuz MIGHT be able to digest all that they consume, but I doubt it - they are still man-rune beings, and barring a significant mythological reason not to, will still produce waste.

    Uzko certainly do - their digestion is quite impressive compared to humans, but not nearly perfect. I suspect that your average troll would produce roughly the same quantity of waste as a human, while eating roughly three times as much, given the chance.  

    [possible TMI WARNING: you might not really want to know this part]
    In most clans, an Uzkos "leavings" are consumed by their trollkin. "Visit the pens" is a common euphemism. Better quality trollkin obviously prefer to augment their diet with pretty much anything else they can get their hands on, but lower-status worker and food types may find themselves entirely coprophagous. Eventually, after several cycles through the weakest of the food trollkin, what you have left over is basically just sand. 

    As a consequence, Trolls can support large populations in quite tight quarters without the plumbing or other sanitary infrastructure that humans would need. Before the curse of kin, it is likely that a communities weakest and most desperate uzko would take the role, but modern Uzko don't care to speculate too closely on the subject.


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  4. On 7/20/2019 at 7:14 PM, galafrone said:

    No Mee Vorala too. Or i have missed her ?

    Mee Vorala is really WEIRD. And also pretty much completely unknown/misunderstood by humans.

    She'll get some love in Trollpack. Though to be fair, even the Uz mostly have no idea at all what she's really about.  I have schemes to present rules for Voralan Player Characters, but those are weird enough that they may or may not make the cut in the form that I currently envision them. 

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  5. On 7/20/2019 at 9:57 AM, g33k said:

    There's a new TrollPack product coming... do we expect to see additional Divine Uz content there?  Reprinting of GaGoG content?  TrollPack to include lots of "see GaGoG" xref's?  Or...?

    Trollpack will provide lots of new info and insight. The exact details of how it is presented is still TBD, but there are still many dark secrets untouched even by the amazing Comprehensive long-form write-ups available in the God's Book. One of the big new things is full sub-cult descriptions for each of the Seven Sacred Ancestors. Lots of entirely new Myths and a view of the underworld from the point of view of the locals, rather than folk who can only ever visit as tourists/victims.

    Unsurprisingly, the Uz and the Godlearners don't always see everything exactly the same way. Though there is significant overlap, given the significant Arkati influence on the Godlearner worldview (Arkat having actually been a troll - at least for a while). The exact ratio of "reference / reprint / rewrite from uz pov / new or different material entirely" will ultimately depend on deadlines (I'm VERY slow) pagecount targets (there is a LOT of potential material to present) and editorial whim (what jeff jason and I think will be coolest).

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  6. On 7/9/2019 at 8:41 AM, g33k said:

    I envision troll-made drums even bigger... maybe with dinosaur-hide?

    The Uz argue that the world itself is an enormous drum which was knocked upside-down when the burner invaded wonderhome. Hard to get much bigger than that! I'm sure they have some rather impressively sized ritual replicas. They also create some remarkably powerful drum-like effects by simply banging on the walls of their caves with large rocks and whatnot. 

    (and THANKS for the Taiko links... i have sadly managed several times to try and google up "that traditional japanese drum thing" in assorted variations without any luck)

    I know i've posted it before, but the "Enlophone" is one of my personal favorite Uz "instruments" 


  7. On 6/22/2019 at 4:38 AM, Minlister said:

    I was thinking to describe a special troll cult to a "Dark stallion" or"Dark seed" hero, reputed for always fathering proper dark Trolls instead of Trollkins. Obviously the object of intense rivalry between competing Kyger Litor high priestess! Is there anything like that already in existing publications?

    One thing to keep in mind is that while trolls are aware that men are involved in the child-making process as a general principal, they don't generally acknowledge them as parents. Women are under no obligation to keep track of their sexual partners, much less assign a pregnancy to any particular one of them. Women who are fond enough of a single partner to remain monogamous enough to be fairly certain of a father will typically be extremely loathe to share him around with others.

    The upshot being that it would be rather difficult for a male uz with such an ability to become aware of it, much less develop a reputation for such prowess. And if he did, the first thing any priestess would do is make sure to keep him to herself and ensure that no-one else found out. After all, you can't have a proper matriarchy, if you let mere men take credit for truly important things like producing healthy children. The very idea! Everyone knows that it is the Mother that matters. Never mind Krogoth there, he's been quite naughty, and isn't allowed to go hunting or play with the militia until I say so.

    Not to be a complete wet blanket though, the idea would work spectacularly as a men's Secret Society. A secretive confidence-man/priest selling "little blue (moon) pills", or teaching "Arkat's Secret Love-Chant" to gullible rubes / aspiring favorites. You could likely plot a fair series of adventures around a male troll with this ability trying to keep it secret so as NOT to get stuck for the rest of his life in some priestess's harem.

    of course Gloranthas Will Vary, and need not all have their Uz as oppressively matriarchal as I consider them to be.

    also, IIRC, Arkat is credited with fathering several Uzuz (who may have been "adopted" companions), and I believe I recall a troll hero (Varzor Kitor?) credited with both siring and giving birth to Uz.

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  8. 4 hours ago, Joerg said:

    Mainly because trolls and heat aren't on good terms with one another. You would need a dangerous Fire-eating Zorak Zorani or a crazed Gadblad smith or an Argan Argar volcano tamer to produce heat.

    The use of digestive juices on the other hand is a very Darkness approach, and I would place the art of chitin-shaping firmly in their hands, and possibly in the appendages of some of the timinits.

    The result would be a stiffer form of linothorax, a bronze age version of duraplast.

    Very much this, though I am personally also quite comfortable with a simple "they use magic" - either to convince the bugs to grow in the right shape (gorakiki can be quite accommodating that way) or to directly shape the chitin afterwards. In fact, i'm much more comfortable with a troll singing songs to the bug spirits to make his armor fit right, than with Uz using heat in mundane crafting.

    4 hours ago, Joerg said:

    There may be magical brass cauldrons that require no fire beneath them to heat their contents. Most certainly Mostali-built, and possible in troll possession as plunder, but troublesome plunder that will attract Gremlins and Gobblers. Which brings up the question: how do Mostali constructs taste to trolls, and how intoxicating are gremlin or gobbler tartare to the uz?

    I think Dwarf constructs generally taste rather unpleasant - like undead, almost, but without the delicious maggots. But the Dwarves themselves are soo intoxicating it makes all the thankless nilmerg-smashing worthwhile. 

    4 hours ago, Joerg said:

    (And while I am at uz culinary appreciation, how does pottery compare to raw clay in taste and nutrients?)

    Clay isn't a whole lot more tasty for Uz than it is to us. They'll eat it, of course, because it can be eaten, but it's not very yummy. Pottery is Burnt clay. Nasty stuff, but could be choked down if there is simply nothing better available. It's fun to smash, though, so there is that at least.

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  9. 7 hours ago, Darius West said:

    Apiary and silk making represent two forms of human industry based on insects.  Neither is intrinsically linked to the Uz either, as far as I am aware. 

    Uz are not over fond of complex crafting, so Silk fabric (really, cloth of any sort) is not something they can be bothered to make, though silk nets and ropes are quite common.

    The Bee tribe is one of the Great Tribes of Dagori Inkarth, and a hive of Giant Bees appears prominently in the Grubfarm adventure of the old Into the Troll Realms. Upcoming material also mentions their importance. (though sadly, it doed not revisit good ol' Protosome Blackbite and co.)


    [in Dagori Inkarth] Bees are the second most important insect, though mostly confined to the Vale of Flowers. The Bee Tribe is home to tens of thousands of man-sized honey bees, which produce vast quantities of honey, along with many stranger and more magical substances. The constant caravans of Honey from the Bee Tribe to the Castle of Lead may be one source of the persistent rumors of an unrivaled cache of Gold within that structure.


    I do think trolls use lots of Insect Glues, Acids, and Chitin in various ways that Humans by and large classify as "Magic". I suspect that many of their more precarious-looking structures are far sturdier than they appear on account of assorted insect-derived glues and cements used in their "construction".

    7 hours ago, Darius West said:

    There is a question I would like to ask however, and that is why Gorakiki Ant is not more prominent.  Does Gorakiki Ant even exist?  It isn't in the new write-up for that cult.

    Giant Ants DO seem a bit under-represented in Genertela, and I do not at this point know the exact mythic reason for that. If pressed, I might guess that the Ant Queen was one of the many victims of the Chaos Siege of the Castle of Lead (destruction of Genert's garden). Or, it could be an ancient curse as Joerg mentions above. 

    On a more practical level, I suspect that Ants may be organized and advanced enough to make them inconvenient for trolls to exploit the way they do other insects. I am personally very fond of ants however, and they do get a mention as being more prolific in parts of Pamaltela:


    Jungle trolls celebrate the variety of Gorakiki’s children, and great diversity of form and species can be found even within a single nest of worshippers. Many of the insects here defy classification and may take on outlandish shapes and garish colors unknown beyond their particular nest. Giant Ants are quite common in the region and are often worshipped and given sacrifice, though they are treated more as uncertain allies or a force of nature than as pets or livestock. 

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  10. Timinits and Uz are both found in Jrustela, but I don't think they have any particular alliance. Proving a connection (or refuting it) sounds like a job for PC adventurers, with the Ultimate Truth of the situation very much dependent on how well the Questing Heroes roll at critical junctures of their adventures...

  11. I am not aware of any explicit uz/wasprider connection. I would not be terribly surprised if the waspriders had certain traditions or practices that might look suspiciously gorakiki-ish to a sufficiently interested Godlearner. I doubt that either Uz or Wasprider cultists would agree with that godlearner that there was any similarity between their respective worships.

    The Uz Krolar cult are dedicated chaos-fighters, and particularly hateful of scorpion-men. Unfortunately, like in many such cases, it can be difficult for humans to distinguish between chaotic Scorpion-men and the (totally fine and upstanding) Scorpion-Uz fighting them. 

  12. Krolar is the troll Scorpion-god. Swems the goddess of worms, and Molukka mollusks. 

    Arthropods and mollusks exist on a spectrum of Darkness and Water association... the Darkness ones will hang out with Uz, and the Water ones with merfolk, with plenty of overlap. 

    @g33k - Moer Uz Moer better! We are all doing our best to fully satisfy your darkest hungers asap.

  13. Engizi works great for a "smuggler" with high Honor. The goods must flow, and the river goes where it must. I don't think the character would really view themselves as a smuggler so much as an honest trader who simply has to sometimes work around ridiculous and unreasonable restrictions that various unworthy "authorities" try to place upon them. Moving goods is a sacred duty - the only "crime" involved would be allowing petty bureaucrats to stop them.

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  14. 2 hours ago, Scout said:

    "Or they may attack one at 1/2 skill rating with one weapon and the other at 1/2 skill rating with that weapon and with the full skill rating using the other weapon."

    The red part is not clear to me. Which exactly is 'that' weapon and the 'other' weapon?

    I think this means that you do not have to split both attacks if you do not wish to. So when attacking with sword and dagger both at 120% skill, you can make 4 attacks at 60% (splitting both) - or two attacks at 60% with one weapon and a single attack with the other weapon at full skill.

  15. You can use the Magic Points of a bound spirit as if they were your own, which is right handy.

    I believe bound spirits are also "automatically controlled" if you release them to perform a task (though they must be re-controlled to return to the binding after). Having a pre-bound spirit then saves at least 2 rounds of spell-casting up front, which can be a very big deal as well.

  16. 14 hours ago, Crel said:

    ... and the rest of the trolls quickly made space around the two ...

    Beowulf was fortunate that this particular war-band was not especially loyal to Shrivok. It would be more typical for them to all pile in together against a stranger, unless they were relatively certain that the hoomie wasn't a legitimate threat.

    It could well be that several members of the warband will now look to Beowulf for leadership, him having killed the previous leader. He might find that he has acquired a bit of an Uz entourage who will follow him around expecting him to lead them to suitable victims for slaughter and torture and other Zorak Zoran style fun. The angrier he gets at them for misbehaving, the more they will see him as an ideal warboss...
    (just a thought that occurred to me, so I figured I'd share - not that you appear to need additional story hooks!)

    neat stuff!

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  17. Battle Choir has nothing on the Zorak Zoran "Drum Corpse"!  Zorak Zoran also rather obviously has a long tradition of aggressive Battle Rap dissing enemies and talking up their own prowess. 

    I'm sure somewhere there exists a "xylophone" (xiolaphone?) made out of various sized trollkin captured in stocks and variously bashed and prodded to make entertaining "music".

    I suspect most of the most entertaining ideas are far too organized for most troll territories, but the Shadow Plateau and surrounding areas may have enough Human influence to create more elaborate musical traditions. In most cases, Uz are perfectly happy with chanting along with drums. More complicated arrangements and instruments are just so much decadent nonsense. "Stop singing and fetch me something to EAT dammit!"

    1 hour ago, GianniVacca said:

    OK, here are my Darktongue syllables: https://2ndage.blogspot.com/2018/12/darktongue-101.html

    Thank you Very much for that!!

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  18. Many excellent suggestions already! 

    But don't forget about you friendly neighborhood Fungi. A few good-sized puffballs can fill the area with spores of whatever horrifying effect you care to inflict on your adventurers.  Hallucinations, rotting flesh, glowing skin, unsightly (but harmless) mushroom growths on exposed areas... all superb fungal effects.

    Darkness spirits of whatever sort are also commonly used as "traps" by the Uz. A large dehori bound into a doorway can go a long way towards keeping out pesky surface-folk. Or even just a bored ancestor taking offense to intruders and loudly screaming and casting spells at them. Fear, Forgetfulness and Hunger spirits are easily found and bound by troll shamans. 

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  19. 16 hours ago, g33k said:

    I thought there was a Rune-level requirement in one of the Uz cults to eat a blood relative... ?


    7 hours ago, PhilHibbs said:

    Enlo are not Uz.

    True, though Enlo have only been around for around 800 years, and the Karrg's Son requirements are not that recent.

    Fortunately, the corpses of the deceased are no longer Uz either. The requirement basically ensures that a clan's most valuable males remain close enough to home to attend family funerals on a regular basis. You can't kill Uz for food, but you ARE permitted - and even expected - to eat those who die of other causes. The rules can always be bent in a pinch... "whut? 'e pissed me off - ah didn't Mean to kill 'im. Oh well, ah guess that's dinner sorted then" but you have to be able to convince the priestess and your fellows that the killing was justified on a basis other than pure hunger. 

    The need for a Taboo against eating Uz is just another of the uncounted ways that the theft of Death broke the world and made things bad. In Wonderhome, you could eat anyone you wanted to, and have a good laugh about it together afterwards. 

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  20. On 11/24/2018 at 9:49 AM, soltakss said:

    That's because Gbaji cheated and chewed his way out after he was eaten. 

    The answer is clearly not to eat them whole, but to bash them on the head, dismember them and then eat them.


    On 11/24/2018 at 2:00 PM, womble said:

    Doesn't flame (cooking) usually inhibit regeneration? I know trolls don't normally care to take the time to cook their dinners, but perhaps they'd make an exception for things like Walktapi, to avoid indigestion while their alimentary corrosives did their work?

    Proper preparation is critical to the safe devouring of the more noxious chaos foods. Many troll Clans have secret rituals and methods to allow consumption of various normally inedible chaos things. Only Zorak Zorani trolls habitually burn their food (which for normal Uz means applying any heat at all) and that is done to show off how tough they are, eating ruined food -not to improve the flavor or digestibility. 

    RE the OP - Few trolls will knowingly eat Iron, or chaos that is not of the sorts their clan knows how to consume safely. Otherwise, pretty much anything else is fair game. 

    A few notes about Roleplaying troll hunger from work-in-progress trollpack materials:

    Trolls are always hungry. Even when gorged to the point of bursting, you will look about for something to chew on or consume. Just about everything in your environment calls out to be eaten, and it is a constant struggle not to consume everything around you. Better foods are harder to resist, but anything will do in a pinch. It is far preferable to chew rocks and gulp air than to eat nothing at all.

    The best possible food is living flesh. Consuming live food is just about the greatest pleasure you can imagine, and you often imagine it. Unfortunately, many living things are forbidden or impolitic to make a meal of, so you must usually resort to lesser fare. It is strictly forbidden for you to kill other Uz for food, and some of your earliest and clearest memories from childhood involve being beaten soundly for trying to sneak a bite of your nursery-mates.

    The second-best foods are dead flesh and living plants. These make up most of your actual meals and are plenty delicious enough to survive on under most circumstances. Dead plants are ok, but not very satisfying, and completely dead things like stones and metal are barely palatable, but still better than going hungry. 

    You don’t actually Need much more food than a human, but you are very unhappy if you cannot manage to consume roughly three times what a normal human would each day. Lower quality foods do less to satisfy your hunger, and it is difficult to physically ingest enough earth or dry wood to feel even moderately satisfied. It is difficult for a troll to become fat, and obesity is a much-prized sign of wealth, prosperity, and the leisure to truly dedicate oneself to eating.


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  21. 2 hours ago, Jeff said:

    YGWV, but not in ours. Thanks to the diligent work of Claudia Loroff working out recipes from across the lozenge, we have discovered that Genertela does not have the potato.

    Which simply proves the Blue Moon association. Taters are SECRET. They do not speak, but have eyes everywhere. 

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