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1 hour ago, Erol of Backford said:

Been waiting for the Heortland & Hendrikland sourcebook to come along, its amazing its in queue at all so I'll just keep hoping!

I think Chaosium's intent is a series of regional sourcebooks for Dragon Pass and Prax.

Sartar, of course, comes first. But there's a lot of content in the queue after that, so we'll wait and see.

15 minutes ago, Runeblogger said:

Does anybody know who created the Wind Children (Stafford or Perrin) and what was the main inspiration for them?

Wind children exist in WB&RM, so I think they predate RQ (and thus would be Greg)

20 minutes ago, Runeblogger said:

where did the Waertagi and Triolini first appear?

You can find both in Wyrms Footnotes #8 in the Spirits of the Sea article. RQ was out by then, but did not yet include either, so would also be Greg's creations. Possibly those date to much earlier stories about the west? Maybe @scott-martin knows?

52 minutes ago, scott-martin said:

You can be anywhere and be in "Prax."

As long as you avoid the Zax.

1 hour ago, Crel said:

I'm putting together a RuneQuest campaign playing the Wolf Pirates during the circumnavigation of the Homeward Ocean. Do you have any general advice/pointers for playing the Wolf Pirates pre-Dragonrise?

Assuming you're talking not only pre-Dragonrise, but pre-Circumnavigation, my thought is that on the whole they are still largely a loose confederation of ship captains with their crews still heavily drawn from the core Yggs Islanders (and perhaps supplemented by pirates from Alatan) who have decided to follow Harrek. Harrek led them to a great victory over the Holy Country fleet in 1616 and this has allowed the ship captains fairly free rein in attacking ports along the southern Genertela coast and now including the Mirrorsea. They take what loot they can, but that increasingly dwindles as they've already attacked most of the ports they can (without needing to call upon Harrek). 

So the call to go on the Circumnavigation, support Harrek, and gain new sources of loot, treasure, and magic now has great appeal. 

(By the time they return, they've been forged into a more cohesive force that can raid deeper inland - fighting at Pennel Ford, helping liberate Heortland, and some even preparing to join Broyan or later Argrath.)

6 minutes ago, Erol of Backford said:

Forgive me for saying this but as I have being gaming off and on in Glorantha for many years I am much more interested in new yet to be published material than renovations or enhancements of material previously or partly released...

Will keep waiting for the Heortland & Hendrikland sourcebook but hope it's not going to take as long as Hero Questing rules...

There's a lot of good content in the RQ pipeline - we just have to patiently wait to see what proceeds through the queue.

In the meantime, there's lots of good stuff in the Jonstown Compendium! Take a side venture over to Nochet or a sea journey off to Teshnos and the East Isles. 🙂 

13 minutes ago, Erol of Backford said:

Is there a way to get a "teaser map" of the Plateau?

What Jeff has previously shared on FB and available in the Well of Daliath is it: Heortland Map

14 minutes ago, Erol of Backford said:

Might the Heortland & Hendrikland sourcebook be on sale at the Con next week?

I've no insight where it is in the queue at this point, but definitely not part of this year's releases.

16 hours ago, Erol of Backford said:

Assume Heortland Aeolian temples-churches had choirs

Song (and dance) will be part of most temple ceremonies (not limited to Aeolian ones). 

For Aeolian temples, I'd expect choruses accompanied by wind instruments, cymbals, dried gourds with seeds, etc.

1 hour ago, mfbrandi said:

then let us say the image of Ginna Jar is a blank space on the back of the seventh pane. The seventh pane doesn’t exist, and anyway there is no way to fit it into the jigsaw. No mirror will ever reflect the preening Green One back to herself as Ginna Jar (who is so unassuming that she has no reflection).

Clearly Ginna Jar is the back side of the mirror! She always there, but can never be seen (by the living).

1 minute ago, Erol of Backford said:

Somehow I thought they were the same.

No, definitely different places! About 30km apart. Ezel is the centerpoint for Ernalda worship, the Necropolis for Ty Kora Tek.

1 hour ago, Erol of Backford said:

One might be in Snake Pipe Hollow, another could be with Gonn Orta, one of his caves (along with Speaking Wheel), possibly there is one part in the Nochet Stacks or Nochet's Earth Temple, lost or hidden away and forgotten? Is there one in the 3-Emerald Temple? Maybe a part is buried with a priestess in the crypts of Ezel?

Cam's Well might be an obvious location for a shard, what draws the snakes there... it's the remains of a God Time palace consisting of white pearlescent walls with a double helical ramp large enough for herd animals to traverse... or very large snakes.

Earth temple in Snakepipe Hollow seems like a logical choice, and I like Cam's Well (vs. the Paps).

In Esrolia, I'd go with the Necropolis over Ezel or Nochet, well within the grasp of Ty Kora Tek.

The other likely place in Esrolia is Asrelia's Hold, however, I'd be more inclined to say that Asrelia took her piece back deep into the Earth and you now have to retrieve it from the Dancing Jar. 

Axe Hall could be another option in Babeester Gor's grisly treasure hold.

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(Anything written on Ezel besides GtG and other gazetteer notes?)

See Esrolia: Land of 10k Goddesses. It describes the temple complex there (and for visual look at the cover of Treasures of Glorantha).

Besides the temple complex, the Grandmothers' Council rules there so all 200 noble Houses maintain part-time dwellings there. And of course the priestesses of all the temples have their residences, and Babeester Gor undoubtedly has a chapter house there.

1 hour ago, Squaredeal Sten said:

First thought:  

The cult should probably have some tests, to verify the prerequisites; Power 18, skill 90% in cult skills.  For a check on Rune points you might cast your Rune magic.

But second thought:

I am not absolutely sure of that, because to make Rune level you "should' already be well known to your temple.   For example your Humakti has demonstrated his skill to comrades in battle.  He may be the guy who cut the head off an Allosaurus with one blow, so after that who would ask for a test of sword skill?

There may be a priest at the temple who taught him his rune spells, so can count on his fingers and attest from memory how many rune points  the applicant has.

This was called in the RQ2 days: "What it takes to Convince the Examiners".  The article by Greg on this appeared first in Wyrms Footnotes #13 and was reprinted in the Glorantha Classics Cult Compendium (p.54).

1 hour ago, Squaredeal Sten said:

Anyway I would expect a ceremonial investment, laying on of hands, oath of acceptance of the office.  Maybe a rune lord gets his first piece of iron if the temple can afford it.  But in my campaign they already had iron, talen off of defeated Lunar rune levels.

This is a BIG DEAL for any cult! (Even Eurmal 😜 ) 

There will be a ceremony, a worship service with a blessing by the god, prayers, and when that's all done - a FEAST!!! 

Of course, all that can be hand-waved, but if it's a PC, I'd play up the event and give the PC opportunities to be generous, to show their Devotion and their Loyalty to the Temple, and reward them with appropriate gifts/loaned items from the temple.

If you're looking to create Glorantha content then you can do so as part of the Jonstown Compendium community program, but it needs to be material for one of the three noted game systems (RQ, 13G, or QuestWorlds). It's straightforward following the community content guidelines to write and publish your Glorantha material. @Nick Brooke can provide lots of guidance on what is or is not allowed with that.

If you're looking to do something else related to Glorantha, then you would need to talk with Chaosium as anything else would require licensing arrangements. In that case @MOB would be the right contact.

Nochet: Adventurer's Guide is now an Electrum best-seller!

1 hour ago, Ironwall said:

If Jomes Wulf is no longer around who protects Wulfsland.

Your PC's obviously!

4 hours ago, David Scott said:

The second battle of Moonbroth - ambiguous could be 1624 

The liberation of Pavis - 1625 The siege lasts a week, followed by the final assault (King of Sartar)

If one goes by the Glorantha Sourcebook, p.39, the following are roughly inferred:

1625, Seaseason - 2nd battle of Moonbroth

1625, Seaseason - Argrath follows up with the Liberation of Pavis (after the battle of Moonbroth)

1625, Fireseason - Argrath's army is routed on the way to attack the New Lunar Temple

1625, Clayday, Harmony week, Earth Season - Dragonrise as noted above

While the dragonflight is visible immediately, news of the extent of the disaster probably takes a couple days by messenger bird to reach Furthest. By Death Week, Boldhome and Jonstown are taken. It probably takes a week+ for the Tarshite forces to organize and march to Alda-Chur, so roughly:

1625, during Stasis Week, Earthseason, Tarsh seizes Alda-chur

Then per David's note above:

1625, God Day, Movement Week, Earth Season, Battle of Dangerford

35 minutes ago, Squaredeal Sten said:

But what about shamans of spirit cults, or completely freelance shamans?  They are not used to dealing with god level spirits, and we should consider that they avoid doing so.  The risk of being gobbled up iby a random god in the spirit world is high.  

This is part of what the Shaman teaches their apprentices. It is why they teach Spirit Lore, Spirit Travel, and Spirit Dance so they can recognize when they start entering the region of a God and move away. As the shaman becomes more powerful, and has bound lesser spirits, they begin to accumulate other tools to use in their Spirit World adventures. If for instance, they end up confronting a god unexpectedly, they might throw away a lesser spirit as a distraction or sacrifice to delay the God and facilitate their own escape.

25 minutes ago, Squaredeal Sten said:

Or maybe the vastly more powerful god doesn't feel like bargaining today, and  will dominate the shaman.  It is risky approaching gods in the spirit world.

Much like Leto II in Children of Dune in finding the path between being dominated or overwhelmed by the inner spirits (the many spirits and demons of the Spirit World), being consumed by the worms or destroyed in the desert storms (the god powers), or integrating the whole into himself so that he can stand face-to-face with the god and stay himself.

19 minutes ago, SleepyNick said:

So the Red Goddess' flight is delayed? Haha 

The Syndics Ban has expanded again forcing all Moon Boats to travel the long way around it.

Once upon a time, Greg described his views on how the approaches differed. You can see an overview of this in Arcane Lore p.15, but did appear in a number of other earlier sources that he drafted. The distinctions/approaches he provided in that work were:

Liturgism; Venerative worship and sorcery magic

• Veneration is the method of worship. It is submission of the individual to the All, usually through the agency of social institutions whose leaders (sorcerers) can direct a portion of this veneration energy to perform magic.

Animism; Ecstatic worship and shamanic magic

• Worship includes any ecstatic behavior that merges the person and world, such as trance inducing dances, deprivations, possessions, or other methods of merging with spirits or nature. Ecstasy is the personal experience of the Life Force inducing a transcendent event.
• Integration and rejection are the methodologies. Integration of the individual into the large world is experienced in the ecstatic moment, and subsequent training and experiences allow integration for longer periods of time and with larger entities. This results in magical actions performed by the person without effort. Integration of entities into the collective "us" is mutually rewarding, and internal adoption of disembodied entities is necessary to progress towards higher religious power and purpose, which is merger with Nature or one of the Great Spirits.
• In dealing with outsiders, whether "Them" people, spiritual, or demonic; interaction may be in the form of begging, bargaining, tricking, conquering, requesting, or surrendering. If successful, the natural entity or spirit merges with the shaman, granting its powers or its service.

Theism; Sacrificial worship and divine magic

• Theism is the practice of making sacrifice of time, attention, and material goods to cooperate with deities. Deities (gods and goddesses) are entities that underlie the whole world.
• Worship of a god consists of sacrifices to it to strengthen it, and to guarantee (as much as possible) that it will deliver its magic when promised. Sacrifices include time, by participating in regular ceremonies; material goods, both as sacrifices and to support priesthood; and includes following customary behavior and evaluations of right and wrong.
• Cooperation with the Greater Powers is the primary method of Sacrifice. Following the actions established in Creation, people engage in a non-equal but reciprocal relationship with the immortal powers of the world.

To shamans, most gods will be "villains". They want something from the shaman (their soul!) which the shaman doesn't usually want to give up. So if your shaman encounters them, the gods will be devious and dangerous, perhaps offering Faustian bargains.

19 minutes ago, Ynneadwraith said:

Before that, were folks with chaotic features just a regular part of Orlanthi life? Were chaotic acts (like rape) not reviled? Did chaotic acts not produce chaotic features? Was it generally fine to do chaotic things because the outcomes weren't punished (i.e. chaotic features all had positive outcomes)?

Chaos did not exist before then in the world.

2 hours ago, M Helsdon said:

It looks okay in the 'full-sized' version. I create these screenshots from an image at 50%. Word seems to adjust the content for some reason when you change the page display size.

Yes, that can make the difference. What you show above looks good.

12 hours ago, M Helsdon said:

Didn't like the white space, so have reformatted the page, which will be included in the next update.

Although I can't tell for sure, it looks like there's a slight cutoff of text at the bottom of your text box. Assuming it is just that line, I'd suggest adjusting your "Choralinthor Bay..." paragraph to not indent so that you don't get the one word carryover at the end of the paragraph, and that would adjust your text up by one line. Alternately, remove the space/line before "Key". If there's any entries after Stormwalk Mountain that have been cut off, you might need to do both (or reduce the font size slightly of the index entries as another option). 

I do like the reformatted version with the single text box.

11 minutes ago, Phil O'Connor said:

but I assumed that when Ivartha dies at the Battle of the Queens so does the dream of a Maboder revival, as she was one of the more powerful people supporting the Daughters of Maboder

Well, those with a dream of restoring the Maboder would need to find a new ally - maybe they'll petition Argrath, or the next Cinsina leader, or whoever else they can get to support them. 

13 minutes ago, Phil O'Connor said:

Ian Cooper recently opined on the Gloranthan Godlearners Podcast that he believes that Argrath makes a deal with the Cincina to wipe out the Telmori in exchange for their support in performing the Stealing The Giant's Cows heroquest

Yes, that seems a likely path to me.

5 hours ago, Phil O'Connor said:

What happens to Wulfsland when he flees Sartar?

Well, the Telmori are there, and no longer have to fear Jomes, so likely take to raiding the herds and flocks of surrounding clans rather heavily.

There will be a few of the old Maboder clan around who now want to reclaim the lands for their own (but with what resources?).

The Cinsina, Culbrea, and Torkani may all want to take control of some or all of the land, if they can only find a way to drive out the Telmori.

And these squabbles/struggles will likely continue until a strong Prince of Sartar can find a way to resolve it.