Oracle

1 hour ago, Soccercalle said:

I get that some deliveries can reach the warehouses at different times and that is not a problem if we talk about 2-3 weeks difference. But if THE SAME warehouse (seems to be Australia) always get the stuff 2-3 months later than the other something has to change in order to enhance customer satisfaction.
This can be done in two or three ways. 1) Close the outlier warehouse and have the people there order from other warehouses (Fedex or DHL from EU to Australis is 2-4 days which will better for the consumers than waiting 2-3 extra months, even if the price will be higher). Or 2) use a second printer close to that warehouse. Many big book publishers uses different printers to secure their release dates. Or 3) use option 1) but keep the warehouse. Clients near that warehouse can buy the books with more expensive shipping for the first months but will get cheaper postage if they wait.

As far as I understand Chaosium is using your option 3) exactly, because if you look at Chaosium's page for the Glorantha Sourcebook, 2nd Edition, you will see, that the book is available in UK and European warehouses, but not (yet) in the Australian warehouse. (It's not available in the US warehouse also, as this has been sold out already ...)

wrong answer, please ignore (or delete).

12 hours ago, svensson said:

@Oracle Yes, I'm aware of the announcement, but I'm wondering if there are any delays in the last couple months.

This has happened a couple times, and I am just curious.

Yes, I can understand that, but as already mentioned, last releases were always as announced (albeit not necessarily for all warehouses ...), and with the recent announcements for the new Pendragon releases I'm pretty optimistic, that the Lunar Cults book will happen in time. (They never said, if beginning, middle or end of March 😉)

 

From Dragon Pass, Land of Thunder:

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Dragon Skull
Skeletal landmark at the highest point of Dragon Pass (A3)
Sources: History of the Heortling Peoples, Jonstown Compendium.
A huge dragon skull, two hundred yards across, perches over a cave between the two cliffs to either side. The trail goes underneath and is big enough for several wide roads. The tales record how Alakoring or Orvanshagor, or occasionally Orlanth himself, put the dragon skull there. Among the beast-men (and Grazers) Ironhoof, centaur King of Dragon Pass, put it there.

It is impossible to cross the Pass except by going through the gigantic skull, with its wicked yards-long incisors. While inside it, everyone feels a little bit afraid or cautious. Voices are deadened, but return as echoes; people who listen carefully hear echoes without voices. Flares and torches do not work correctly, so the light on the other side feels especially welcome.

But as this HeroQuest 1 supplement is not canonical, you probably may have to take this information with a grain of salt ...

On 1/9/2024 at 8:13 PM, jajagappa said:

Glittering post cards!!! Now I want those too! 😮 (And great video showing off Visions of Myth too!)

This is so true. I've already ordered the book, but now I need these postcards ...

Cults of RuneQuest - The Prosopaedia, p.103. Rathor, last paragraph:

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... He is identified with the constellation call Orlanth’s Ring.

Should be "... called Orlanth's Ring."

Cults of RuneQuest - The Prosopaedia, p.23. Choralinthor:

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Orlanthi and Sea Pantheons:

This is the only place, where the term "Sea Pantheon" is used. Otherwise it's always "Merfolk Pantheon". So for consistency you should use the same term here.

On 12/13/2023 at 2:50 AM, jajagappa said:

Except, The Prosopaedia, p. 133, also notes "Spring’s Handmaiden, one of Voria’s common names, was born of Ernalda and Orlanth".
...

That's exactly the line, which I thought, that it may have to be changed in my original post:

On 12/13/2023 at 12:46 AM, Oracle said:

p.133, Voria:

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Spring’s Handmaiden, one of Voria’s common names, was born of Ernalda and Orlanth, begat in the joy of the Underworld after the arrival of the Lightbringers.

According to Cults of RuneQuest - Mythology, p.123 (PDF) and Cults of RuneQuest - The Earth Goddesses, p.134 the passage marked red
should read "... was born of Ernalda and Yelm ..."

After all this is the Prosopaedia thread 😉

On 12/13/2023 at 2:50 AM, jajagappa said:

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And if you look at the genealogy charts on Mythology p.124 and p.122, you will find that both are True.

That's an argument, indeed. Ah, the joy of mythology and confusion. You cannot have one without the other ...

p.133, Voria:

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Spring’s Handmaiden, one of Voria’s common names, was born of Ernalda and Orlanth, begat in the joy of the Underworld after the arrival of the Lightbringers.

According to Cults of RuneQuest - Mythology, p.123 (PDF) and Cults of RuneQuest - The Earth Goddesses, p.134 the passage marked red
should read "... was born of Ernalda and Yelm ..."

On 10/17/2023 at 6:00 AM, Joerg said:

Neleos, Neleom, Neliom, Neliomi: These incidents are even indexed. I found them slightly vexing.

p.96: Neleos Sea. (Neleos is the founder and Dawn Age ruler of Neleoswal, the outermost Malkioni colony on old Seshnela, nowadays a submerged ruin.)

Neleom, Sea of Neleom, Neleom Sea: p.24 (as noted by Steve above), 101, 104, 111, 

Neleomi Sea: p.115, 117

Neliomi (ocean): p.21, 106 

Neliomi Sea: p.15, 112 

There seems to be something like verisimilitude at work for names evolving in the mythical maps, but in this case the modern version (Neliomi) and the original version Neleos -> Neleom -> Neliomi doesn't seem to have been followed.

There is a similar development of names for Mount Nida which is (prematurely) announced for the early Golden Age Map as Tinsnip Mountain (the label turns up a map later). 

But hey, this is mythology. Who expects consistence for details?

At least I would expect consistency between the Mythic Maps and the descriptions in the respective Map Locations section, so

• p.106 (PDF), left column, Neliomi Sea: this name is clearly wrong, as the Late Lesser Darkness map on p.103 (PDF) clearly depicts the Neleomi sea.
• p.112 (PDF), left column, Valind's Glacier: "... countless icebergs drift into the Neliomi Sea. ...". But the Great Darkness map on p.108 (PDF) clearly depicts the Neleomi sea.

Assuming, that the Mythic Maps are the basic resource, my first guess would be, that the use of Neliomi is a typo always and should be replaced with Neleomi.

But checking the Guide to Glorantha, I see, that it is the Neliomi Sea always. So it seems, that the Mythic Maps on (PDF) pp.97, 103, 108, and 11maybe3 need to be fixed.

Anyway, consistency between the Mythic Maps and the descriptions in the respective Map Locations section should be the goal.

Currently while working myself through Cults of Runequest - Mythology I've run into the Battle of Sporebore. Not being a native English speaker, I have issuese with the meaning of Sporebore. Is the meaning something similar to Sporeborn? Or more something like Sporepit? Or neither of them?

So I thought I trigger the Glorantha hive mind here to get a broader view ...

1 hour ago, Gray Raven said:

I wonder who the other two are!  Are you one of them?

Yup.

On 10/27/2023 at 2:34 PM, SMM said:

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p.84. "Kingdom of Logic. Also called the Kingdom of Logic,...", should that be "Kingdom of Logic. Also called the Kingdom of the West,..."?

 

Or maybe the Land of Logic?

On 11/7/2023 at 8:58 PM, Gray Raven said:

Hey, what do you know, I'm a member of the "One percent" crowd!  Being 65+ years old, that is.  If I read that graph correctly, I'm the only over 65+ Gamer here!

Not any longer!

2 hours ago, Ian A. Thomson said:

Transparent PNGs?

Hi Folks

For the first year of creating the P&BRC:DC volumes I was using a free online service to change jpgs into transparent pngs (turning all the white colour areas into transparency, so that images blend into the page)

Then they started charging, so after a bit of searching I found another service that was just as good. A few weeks ago they also started charging

Anyone out there have access to software that quickly and easily converts jpgs to transparent pngs?

I'd love to welcome you onto the team if I could send you a few images every now and then, and happy to sign you up for a free pdf copy of any volume in which you can do this service for a bunch of images 

Cheers

My immediate idea would be to use GIMP, a free software tool, which provides a lot of capabilities. But I'm not sure, if I understood your requirements correctly, so I cannot guarantee, that GIMP is fulfilling these requirements.

On 10/21/2023 at 2:46 PM, Brian Duguid said:

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p.50, paragraph beginning "In Hell", "Ehlim" -> "Ehilm".

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This one is quite interesting (funny?), as it's the same in Jeff Richard's (Facebook) commentary on Chaos and The Great Compromise (available in the Well of Daliath), which uses roughly the same text fragment, as in the Glorantha Sourcebook, p. 131, end of first paragraph on left column (again more or less the same text fragment).

In the Prosopaedia the God of Disorder in the Celestial Court is Ratslaff (with double f), in the Mythology book (and in fact in all other publications I'm aware of) it is Ratslaf (single f). Is this intentional?

Mythology, p.13:

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Ourania: This purest of goddesses intercedes between the realm and Dayzatar’s Heaven.

Ourania intercedes between which realm and Dayzatar's Heaven?

My guess would be the Sky Realm, but I would like to get a official confirmation, because could also be the Upper Heavens or the Sky of Light ...

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Mythology, p.13, Cosmology Diagram:

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Upper Heaven

Cults of RuneQuest 4 - Mythology, p.13 (emphasis mine):

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Upper Heavens: These are the highest realm that can be reached by gods or mortals. It is a realm of light and purity beyond the visible Sky Dome.

So is it Heaven or Heavens? (Even the explaining text is unclear with respect to this question ...)

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Added 14/11/2023:

p.56 (PDF), The Dawn Age, 1st paragraph:

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... The Dawn Ages began with a calm and wonderful growth ...

and same page, second column, third paragraph:

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... It was so old it had schisms within it even in the Dawn Ages. ...

I thought always, that there was one Dawn Age only ...

 

Added 16/11/2023:

p.57 (PDF), Myth: Gold Wheel Dancers, last paragraph:

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... There remained a place for the Dancers on the Second Council, and there was always a vote counted for them. ...

p.59 (PDF), The Second Council, second paragraph, last sentence:

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... The third addition replaced the now-extinct race of the Gold Wheel Dancers.

This seems to be a bit contradictory, or do I miss something here?

 

Added 20/11/2023:

p.69 (PDF), Lunar New Year Ceremony box, right column, fourth paragraph:

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... Usually, each of the five Gloranthan elemental pantheons is given a day to celebrate their rites, usually in the traditional Order of Creation: Darkness, Sea, Earth, Sky, and Air. ...

Sea is not an element, so shouldn't that be Water?

 

Added 29/11/2023:

p.85 (PDF), left column, Mostali Notes paragraph:

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... stolen from the Mostali, dwarfs, and related races.

Mostali and dwarfs are synonyms, as far as I know, so the comma between Mostali and dwarfs seems to be wrong.

 

Added 1/12/2023:

p.89 (PDF), left column, Mostali's Palace:
Source is given as (M), but should be (MN) probably.

 

Added 2/12/2023 and 3/12/2023:

p.91, map of The Early Lesser Darkness of Glorantha:
in the north-east corner of the Kingdom of Enlightment is a region marked as 'Memb', but there exists no related description in the Map Locations section of this chapter. There is a respective entry in the Map Locations section of the next chapter (The Middle Lesser Darkness). So either there is an entry missing here in the Map Locations section or the marking in the map is wrong.

p. 93 (PDF), right column, Great Blast Range:

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Lodril raised these mountains as a fence to keep stop the Yellow
Elves Marching Jungle from entering the lands of his friend Pamalt.

 

'to keep' or 'to stop', but this is obviously too much ... 😉

 

p.94 (PDF), left column, last paragraph:
'DS' is listed as source for Madadar Sea, but no such source abbreviation exists. Should be 'DC'.
Or maybe the abbreviation 'DS' makes more sense for Draconic Secrets, and all 'DC' sources should be changed to 'DS' ... 😉

 

p.96 (PDF), left column, Umath Mountains:

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... They divide the Kingdom of Splendor from Genert’s Garden. ...

The Kingdom of Splendor is not on the respective Mythic Map for the Early Lesser Darkness. And according to the following chapters, the Kingdom of Splendor appears first in the Middle Lesser Darkness. According to the Mythic Map for the Early Lesser Darkness the above text should read "... They divide the Kingdom of Enlightment from Genert’s Garden. ...".

 

p.96 (PDF), right column, Yellow Elves Marching Jungle:

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The trees and Yellow Forest below the Spike marches ...

Maybe my English fails me here, but this does not make sense to me. I could understand

• The Yellow Forest ...
• The trees of the Yellow Forest ... (march, not marches) - this is my favourite, but what do I know, what the author has meant ...
• The trees and the Yellow Forest ... (march, not marches)

But the current formulation sounds weird in my ears (which are more used to German than to English ...)

 

p.98 + 104 (PDF), left columns, Characteristics:
The Characteristics for the Middle Lesser Darkness and the Late Lesser Darkness are nearly identical. I see different entries for Elder Races and Civilizations only. Is this intentional or is something missing here (for the Middle Lesser Darkness)?

 

p.99 (PDF), left column, Blue Moon Plateau:
given source is '(S)', which does not exists. So probably should be '(SC)'

p.99 (PDF), left column, Dozaki's Path:
given source are '(UK, K)', but UK does not exist as a source. So probably this should be '(UL, K)'.

 

Added 4/12/2023:
p.97+99 (PDF)
The description of the Great Wood on p.99 does not match its display on the map on p.97.
In fact the description

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This vast forest covers all between Ragnaglar’s Land and the Vingkotling kingdoms.

does match the display of the Guardian Forest much better.

 

Added 5/12/2023:
p.97 (PDF)
Kungatu is a label on the mythic map for the Middle Lesser Darkness, but has no Map Locations entry.

p.102 (PDF), left column, Terrifying Black Cloud:
"... Mistress Race tolls ..." --> "... Mistress Race troĺls ..."

 

p.102 (PDF), right column, Vingkotlings:

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Vingkot married the daughters of Tada and became allies of the Lionkiller.

Maybe may English fails me here, but shouldn't that be "... ally ..." or "... an ally ... ", as the subject in this sentence is Vingkot, i.e. a single person?

 

Added 7/12/2023:
p.102 (PDF), left column, Tada Land
p.107 (PDF), left column, Tada's Land
Tada Land vs. Tada's Land. Is this intentional?
 

Added 11/12/2023:
p.119, right column, Heler, the Rain God: "They serve Orlanth as the faithful Rain God." They (more than one?) serve as a (single) God?

 

Added 19/12/2023:
p.131 /PDF), right column, Cacodemon:

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Cacodemon, God of Anarchy and Ogres: A cacodemon is a demonic remnant of the Devil ...

In the Prosopaedia, p.20 it is "Gods of Anarchy ...", so shouldn't it be the same here? The first sentence starting with "A cacodemon ..." seems to be a strong hint into the same direction ...

 

Added 21/12/2023:
Runequest - Roleplaying in Glorantha, p.284, left column, Temple sizes, Site:

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..., though POW checks are available for worshiping here. ...

Cults of RuneQuest - Mythology, p.137 (PDF), right column, Temple sizes, Site:

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..., though no POW checks are available for worshiping here. ...

Which of these two statements is correct?
This has been answered in Q&A thread, but answer in not available anymore. If I remember correctly, the second one is correct.
 

Added 23/12/2023:
Cults of RuneQuest - Mythology, p.139 (PDF), Spirit Magic Spells table, right column, seventh row:
Magic Enchantment --> Magic Point Enchantment (as there is no Magic Enchantment spell)

Cults of RuneQuest - Mythology, p.140 (PDF), What Happens on a Holy Day, right column, fifth paragraph:
... The rites vitalize the word with the mythical act ... --> ... The rites vitalize the world with the mythical act ...

 

Added 24/12/2023:
Cults of RuneQuest - Mythology, p.141 (PDF), left column, Initiates, second paragraph:

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... discussed in each cult’s section on Spirits of Reprisal.

There is no section with the title Spirit of Reprisal in this generic Cult format description nor in the Cult descriptions in Cults of RuneQuest - The Lightbringers or Cults of RuneQuest - The Earth Goddesses. In fact Spirits of Reprisal are generally described in the Subservient Cults section in these Cult books. So maybe this should be changed to "... discussed in each cult’s section on Subservient Cults." or "... discussed in each cult’s section on Cult Spirits."

Cults of RuneQuest - Mythology, p.143 (PDF), left column, Membership in Multiple cults:
"... as long as the cults are at least friendly to one another." (The dot closing the sentence is missing.)

 

Added 29/12/2023:
Cults of RuneQuest - Mythology, p.151 (PDF), right column, last paragraph:
"... The second number in parentheses gives the raw percentage of humans belonging to that cult within the population."
There are no numbers in parentheses in any of the tables. So this text should be removed or replaced e.g. by "in the second column".
 

Added 03/01/2024:

Cults of RuneQuest - Mythology, p.42 (PDF), left column, first word:
Dehor --> Dehore (same for respective Index entry)
 

Added 04/01/2024:

 

Added 05/01/2024:

Cults of RuneQuest - Mythology, p.161 (PDF), left column, eighth entry:
Gunda the Guilt --> Gunda the Guilty

 

Added 06/01/2024:

Added 07/01/2024:
Cults of RuneQuest - Mythology, p.162 (PDF), left column:
Index entry 'Lorian River' --> 'Lorion River'

 

Added 12/01/2024:
Cults of RuneQuest - Mythology, p.163 (PDF), middle column:
Index entry 'Racoon Guardians' --> 'Raccoon Guardians' (that's the spelling used in the text on p.118)

Added 13/01/2024:
Cults of RuneQuest - Mythology, p.93 (PDF), left column, Dragon's Nest entry, last sentence:
"... the body of Sh’harkazeel was placed in the heavens as the Star Dragons. ..."
That's how the constellation is called in the Guide to Glorantha, and Sh’harkazeel is obviously just a single Dragon.
Index entry needs to be adapted accordingly.

 

Added 16/01/2024:
Cults of RuneQuest - Mythology, p.165 (PDF), middle column:
White Sea 23, 93, 98, 101–102, 111, 117
p.117 does not contain the term White Sea at all, so this reference should be removed.

On 10/20/2023 at 4:13 PM, Steve said:

p.94, Kingdom of Innocence, 2nd sentence, "the Yellow Elf Marching Forest" -> "the Yellow Elves Marching Jungle".

Also p.95 (PDF), Pamalt's Plains, first sentence:
"The Yellow Elf Marching Jungle tried to invade the Lands of the South." --> "The Yellow Elves Marching Jungle tried to invade the Lands of the South."

22 hours ago, Zac said:

Does anyone know if there were more than one leatherette cover for the RQ2 rules? 

I have found this image

but I could have sworn that the version I had also had a gold rune on the front cover. 

This is the picture given in the Updates for the RuneQuest Classic Kickstarter describing the Leatherette version of the rulebook (Update 5) :

Ordered on Monday morning (October 9th).

Delivered just now:

This couldn't have been delivered faster. The European warehouse is absolutely fantastic.

 

On 10/4/2023 at 11:31 PM, jajagappa said:

Loic shared recently on FB here: Cults of RuneQuest: Mythology cover

Which, by the way, is available in the Well of Daliath also already together with its key.

On 9/6/2023 at 10:14 PM, Oracle said:

page 98, Pavis entry:

My understanding ist, that Dorasar founded New Pavis. Pavis is the founder of what is now Old Pavis. So this entry should say

Demigod Founder of Old Pavis and the Big Rubble

But in fact the Big Rubble are the remains of Old Pavis, so maybe this entry should be

Demigod Founder of Old Pavis

or even more simple

Demigod Founder of Pavis

Just for the record: Issue is covered in the Well of Daliath now:

page 98, Pavis entry:

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Demigod Founder of New Pavis and the Big Rubble

My understanding ist, that Dorasar founded New Pavis. Pavis is the founder of what is now Old Pavis. So this entry should say

Demigod Founder of Old Pavis and the Big Rubble

But in fact the Big Rubble are the remains of Old Pavis, so maybe this entry should be

Demigod Founder of Old Pavis

or even more simple

Demigod Founder of Pavis