1 hour ago, radmonger said:

Obviously

Such are the dangers of misinterpretating the art of another culture.

The original can be seen at the museum of ancient Rhigos.

1 hour ago, radmonger said:

Hate to disagree with the author of the work i'm citing, but I don't think climate, divinity and geopolitics are cleanly distinct topics.

In Glorantha, they are not, but this picture does not show the full 'realms' you assumed: the Sun is universal during the day, far beyond the bounds of Dara Happa or Teshnos or Safelster in Ralios where his cults have major political power, and Orlanth's Air is universal, and Heler's rain nearly so, even in lands where their cults are minor or absent. Air/Storm rules far beyond the marginal lands of Ygg, Valind, or Storm Bull, and for that matter, Storm Bull as Bisos is revered in western Peloria even though here he is shown in Prax. 

12 hours ago, radmonger said:

This mythic map from Ships & Shores of Southern Genertela, may add some points relevant to this discussion:Air/storm is everywhere. But it only actually rules marginal lands, in the form of Ygg, Valind, Gagarth and Storm Bull.

Umm, no.

This map illustrates major influences on the weather, but Sun and Storm are everywhere.

Yelm is centered over Dara Happa, but that's partly because putting him in the exact center wouldn't fit the composition. Orlanth and Heler are to the left in part for the composition, and because they are almost everywhere, and for much of the year Orlanth's wind drives in from the northwest or west. Similarly Brastalos is to the right to balance the Storm God and because for Genertela her doldrums arrive from the southeast, and then proceed westwards south of the coast. Gagarth's winds can appear anywhere in one season, so his placement is to balance the composition. The annual struggle between Valind and Kalikos is shown, but Yelmalio isn't because he is the Cold Sun and has little to no influence on the climate. Iphara can also appear anywhere, but there was a space on the left, so whilst she creates sea fogs over Lost Brithos, this isn't the only place you might encounter her. 

The Land Goddesses are shown for two reasons: to provide a geographical context, and because land influences the weather and winds, especially during the sailing season.

The Red Goddess (and the Blue Streak - not shown) cause the tides, which along the southern coast can be significant (the Holy Country is 'tide-wracked'), and the ebb and flow of the tides has a localised effect on the weather.

Katrin and I discussed the organisation of the picture, with the Land Goddesses and Sea Gods the 'first layer', then the Air and Solar gods. There wasn't any easy way to include Darkness, so I chose not to include Xentha, for example - the air and land cool at night. There's some correlation between some of the Air Gods and their core territories. A lot of thought went into this picture, but it shouldn't be taken as a map of divine geopolitics.

This is intended to be an in-world map, depicting an Esrolian artist's (or their patron's) worldview.

6 hours ago, David Scott said:

The British Museum Blog popped up this great article - How to make an Iron Age shield (out of bark)

Although the dating of this artefact is Iron age, it could certainly be considered a type of hide or wicker shield found in Weapons & Equipment. I'd certainly give it to aldryami.

https://www.britishmuseum.org/blog/how-make-iron-age-shield-out-bark

Although such shields rarely survive, the technique probably dates back at least to the Bronze Age. The Enderby Shield was published whilst I was writing Armies & Enemies and so bark shields and how they are made is mentioned in the book.

2 hours ago, Brian Duguid said:

Martin, you and Katrin are marvels.

Thank you. Katrin is, but I'm a bit typo-prone at the moment.

By popular request, following its release as a limited edition at Dragonmeet:

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/462903/Visions-of-Myth

The hardcopies include some expanded content, special covers by Katrin, and, mea culpa, some typos I caught too late.

Siramarti and Ekeros by Mark Smylie

During the sailing season Siramarti and Ekeros are the flutist and the oars master aboard a trireme; outside the season they work as entertainers in Nochet or Rhigos.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/452062/Ships--Shores-of-Southern-Genertela

Version 11 has just been uploaded.

On 12/11/2023 at 9:23 AM, Martin said:

For those interested in this topic I suggest checking out:

Sailing from Polis to Empire: Ships in the Eastern Mediterranean during the Hellenistic Period

https://www.openbookpublishers.com/books/10.11647/obp.0167

 

I've now read this book. Interesting, though there are more detailed treatments of sailing in the ancient world, such as The Ancient Sailing Season: 351 (Mnemosyne Supplements; History and Archaeology of Classical Antiquity) - which brings home that seasonal weather is a major factor, and it really is even more so in Glorantha, where Orlanth's great storm and Brastalos' doldrums are major factors. I was disappointed that there wasn't much on the painting of ships. 

10 minutes ago, Nick Brooke said:

Further to that: as soon as the art is complete, I will prepare the print edition to the high standard you have rightly come to expect. But I can’t finish the art myself, and there’s no point starting work until everything is in the bag.

The page count will change. One of the pieces not present in the book will be a double page spread of [redacted] and there are four half-pagers for the warfare chapter, plus a few character pieces present as drafts at the moment. From the sketches of the warfare pieces Mark has sent me, they should prove interesting, especially the partially underwater picture of [redacted]!

2 hours ago, pachristian said:

Do we have a target for Print versions?

There are about a half-dozen pieces of art still outstanding, some not previewed in the draft book. Their completion depends upon the artist's work schedule.

Thank you for your kind comments.

To celebrate Mark receiving the Greg Stafford Memorial Award after a quest through the postal system (and to mark the Sacred Time), the cover of Ships & Shores is now available to purchasers as a mini-poster.

The title now comes with a number of supplements. Below, a detail of the cover.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/452062/Ships--Shores-of-Southern-Genertela

2 hours ago, Martin said:

Of  course! 🙂

Thank you.

I have a copy of Sailing from Polis to Empire on order, to see if there's anything I missed.

The most interesting if obscure book I read doing the research for my book was The Periplus Maris Erythraei: Text with Introduction, Translation, and Commentary by Lionel Casson. I've read two other translations, but Casson's notes and commentary were very insightful.

19 hours ago, Jeffrywith1e said:

Has there ever been a similar world connection like that for Glorantha connecting to our real world in all of its publication history?

In the Stafford House campaign, there was a character called Red Bird Greg permitted to join from a D&D game. He later said this was a mistake and never permitted any connection with other game worlds. 

2 hours ago, Martin said:

For those interested in this topic I suggest checking out:

Or for Glorantha, buy my book....

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/452062/Ships--Shores-of-Southern-Genertela

Another 35 sales and I will release the next 'supplement' - a poster featuring Katrin Dirim's picture of Nochet.

Something exciting is in progress but I can't share more about it at present....

49 minutes ago, Oldskolgmr said:

With the Glorantha Sourcebook, The Guide, and Mythology out now is reading the King Of Sartar (KOS) still very important to understanding Glorantha (as a setting for games)?

It's important, but I personally would not recommend it because much of the material is better presented for newcomers in other books, and there are spoilers for the future history.

V10 has just been uploaded with two new pictures by Mark Smylie.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/452062/Ships--Shores-of-Southern-Genertela

The Blue Streak Falls - by Mark Smylie (portion of the picture)

One of the recent pieces by Mark Smylie.

Ships & Shores is available on DriveThruRPG, a Work in Progress as finished art is being added, now at version nine. The book comes with supplements providing deck plans, maps, and an art book featuring the art of Katrin Dirim. It includes the Periplus, with detailed accounts of Nochet, Karse, Melib, Noloswal, and many other places. The book is richly illustrated by Katrin Dirm and Mark Smylie, and many other fine artists.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/452062/Ships--Shores-of-Southern-Genertela

50 minutes ago, g33k said:

Apologies; I had (at one time) known you were WIP'ing this, and I thought it a very-good idea.
I had forgotten, however.  😞

Mark is finishing off another piece, so I may update the PDF later this week. 

On 12/2/2023 at 3:09 AM, jajagappa said:

The pdf of it comes with Martin's Ships and Shores book: Ships and Shores of Southern Genertela

For printed copy, you need to get yourself quickly to Dragonmeet tomorrow morning.

The limited edition sold out quite quickly at Dragonmeet, yesterday. I arrived shortly after the trade halls opened and found Nick's stall. Proceeds for these books are going to the RNLI.

10 hours ago, g33k said:

...  Or so I understand it.  @M Helsdon is that a fair description?

Yes.

8 hours ago, g33k said:

Gotcha!

FWIW, S&SoSG has hit the "Electrum Best Seller" category, which AFAIK is the POD'able threshold.
I suspect it is undergoing POD-prep now, but Martin (or maybe @Nick Brooke?) would be the folks who'd know.

I presume this separate art book would sell as a separate item; but @jajagappa reports the PDF is included with the S&SoSG PDF.

As it's an included item, I'm not sure how the "VoM" book could earn its own separate POD'ability status as an Electrum best-seller...?  Does it simply "inherit" that status from its parent volume...?  (I assume "premium color" would be the only option!  🥰 )

Ships & Shores is a Work in Progress as it was released (as requested) with some art outstanding. It can't become a POD until all the art is finished, and I can't say when that will be as it depends on the artist's schedule. He has commercial work in the queue.

A separate art book.... For the PDF, I would prefer people to buy the main book and then also gain access to the supplements.

8 hours ago, jajagappa said:

It would have to be sold separately as a distinct work. Bonus material is only available with the pdf version, and only in pdf or other electronic format.

Which might be possible.

1 hour ago, Nick Brooke said:

“Earning POD’ability” is always at Chaosium’s discretion. If one of Chaosium’s best-selling, award-winning community content authors, who’s a valuable contributor to the team, puts together a beautiful art-book that is illustrated by one of Chaosium’s favourite, award-winning artists, we are not going to insist on Electrum sales before approving a print edition.

And we will begin preparing “Ships & Shores” for print once it is complete. As you surely know, the digital edition is a work in progress, with several pieces of unfinished art. We aren’t going to rush this baby. It’ll be done when it’s done. And it’ll be worth the wait.

Yes. I am grateful for Nick adding the booklet to the stock on his stall yesterday, and sorting out the donation to the RNLI.

My bag for the convention is packed - I am bringing ten copies for Nick's stall and as many designated copies.  

One of the supplements for Ships & Shores: Visions of Myth - Art by Katrin Dirim.

This is available as a PDF, and has numerous annotated pictures.

I will be bringing some copies to Dragonmeet next week.

On 10/22/2023 at 11:38 PM, jajagappa said:

I'm particularly fond of the Mirrorsea Bay set from Ships and Shores: the whole bay (p.25), Rhigos (p.27), Nochet (p.33), Volsaxiland (p.41), central Heortland (p.47), and Storos (p.55). Having provided Martin and Katrin with some of the background of local deities from my Nochet and Heortland works, it was fantastic to see how Katrin took the varied ideas and ran with them. The details are often very subtle such as: Karse gathering the flotsam and jetsam of folk to her and giving them a home, Belintar's temple at Durengard, Storm Bull sitting atop Stormwalk Mountain while sky bulls soar in the air around, or the Bridge of the Winds at Durengard.

I was very grateful for the background details you shared.

On 10/22/2023 at 11:38 PM, jajagappa said:

And who can resist Moon Cat! Katrin Dirim - Moon Cat

The Moon Cat sneaks into the picture of Nochet.

Page 6: Other (such as Dormal -> Others (such as Dormal

Page 7: Chapter @ -> Chapter starting on page 135
Page 15: army in one bit -> army in one bite
Page 15: until he found reached -> until he reached
Page 25: She is a wife of the Sun – Prosopaedia says Solf, but discrepancy may be intentional?
Page 79: and Xenth -> and Xentha
Page 85: Stela Corpora – might be - Stella Corpora
Page 91: beat down – might be – beaten down
Page 102: debouched Artmali -> debauched Artmali