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4 hours ago, Erol of Backford said:

Miskos once lay at the mouth of the Syphon River, it was abandoned due to unknown circumstances. It's not on contemporary maps...

What happened there? Did something terrible come from the Bay and carry off the population? Beasts from the Sea? Videli slavers? Plague?

Why isn't there any reporting of what happened or is there and its been covered up?

Miskos was abandoned after the Vent erupted. Even though most of the ash went westward towards Slontos, there was still a tsunami that hit Miskos hard. It was abandoned and Backford founded.

https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/history-of-kethaela-the-second-age/

Basically the city was hit by a huge 'tidal wave' and swept away or buried in mud.

On 8/6/2023 at 7:27 PM, Erol of Backford said:

When looking for the Earth Temple at Vorda Hill, there seem to be a set of monoliths at the top.

That would be a minor temple of Orlanth Thunderous. The Earth Temple is at the base.

1 hour ago, Darius West said:

Well this sounds promising !  I believe that Masters of Luck and Death was originally going to be released as a board game.  What form is the upcoming publication going to take, may I ask?

The book was published in 2004.

https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/home/catalogue/publishers/issaries/issaries-heroquest-1-products-2003-20xx/masters-of-luck-and-death/

1 hour ago, metcalph said:

It's probably this map (screenshot)

A pencil version without dates.

13 hours ago, metcalph said:

• Melib is shown as having a significant population of Lightbringer worship.  Not just the city of Dosakayo but perhaps up to a third of the island.

One of Greg's maps Jeff shared a while ago, showed Dawn Age Lightbringer missionaries reaching western Melib.

1 hour ago, Malin said:

Is there anything else I need to consider?  (also, hi!)

As Nick says, thanking people is always good; I also try to add a Sources list of publications, whether official or Jonstown Compendium.

My current project includes this:

8 hours ago, Scorus said:

I'm afraid you'll need to explain this one to me like I'm five. 🙂  The Night ends and the Dawn begins before the Dawn?

It's like any sunrise - the sky lightens from black to grey pr dark blue, and gradually more color appears, and then the dawn comes and the sun rises.

So after the Great Darkness, there was the Grey Age, and then the Dawn and the birth of Time.

2 hours ago, Gallowglass said:

I’ve been thoroughly enjoying Nochet: City of Queens, and I’m considering setting my next game there. I’m wondering if the upcoming Earth Goddesses book will have any info or rules for some of the goddesses referenced within? I’m particularly interested in three of the “Six Sisters,” Delaina, Delaeo, and Orana. Does anyone with an early copy know?

The best source, so far as I am aware, is the Glorantha Sourcebook. I don't believe the other Sisters feature in the Earth Goddess book.

https://www.chaosium.com/the-glorantha-sourcebook-pdf/

4 minutes ago, Wheel Shield said:

Golarion to save people.. 

Wrong game.

10 minutes ago, Squaredeal Sten said:

?  I thought Orlanth's birthplace was Kero Fin.  That's his mother, but she is also a mountain and mountains don't travel around.

Yes you are correct.

Several cities have such entities as protectors, the most famous being Orlanth's birthplace, Whitewall, where Garan the Low Star, married Serias. One of the gates of Storos is guarded by another Star God.

6 hours ago, Byll said:

Interesting that the God Learners are not quoted as noting a mystic synthesis between Arira and Voria, Naveria/Lesilla and Ernalda or Koveria and Asrelia. Perhaps they thought it went without saying, or being Malkioni they never thought about it at all

God Learner contact with Peloria was limited by their enemies, the EWF, sitting astride the main route north.

47 minutes ago, jajagappa said:

Of course! It won't bypass it, but for some/many goods it becomes less the terminus and just the final waystop before Nochet.

It's interesting looking at the map of roads in Esrolia; I suspect that some of the Manirian Road is actually by river, and its final stretch is via the Gorphing River, or at least follows her river valley. In what I believe is one of Greg's maps, the river is navigable (by boats, barges?) for a long way to the west, even further upstream than Kithma. Whilst a road does follow the river for some distance, river trade is, at least downstream, faster and cheaper than carrying goods on mule back. I would expect goods to then be transhipped to Nochet and to Karse.

2 minutes ago, jajagappa said:

Yes, but that was 2+ generations ago, and Nochet has since increased population by 5X and likely wealth by an even greater factor. It will naturally draw Manirian trade goods to it for exchange with goods coming from Dragon Pass and the Lunar Empire. 

True, but the goods will travel via Rhigos and be subject to tolls there....  It's likely that there's one of the 52 Tombs of Castelain at Rhigos.

18 minutes ago, Squaredeal Sten said:

How about sea routes between Genertela and Pamaltela?  Would you go more directly south avoiding Magasta's Pool, or via the East Iskes to make sure you avoid it?  I. The first case a storm or navigational error can take you down, down to the Chaosium, in the second case the Isles are known breeding grounds for Pirates.

 

The Guide to Glorantha weather chapter includes maps that show sailing routes.

Just now, jajagappa said:

And then by short road/ship to Nochet.

True, but Rhigos is the eastern terminus of the Manirian Road and once surpassed Nochet in size and wealth.

The Manirian Road runs from the cities of Safelster, the caravans gathering at Drom, to Rhigos in Esrolia.

24 minutes ago, Leon_ap_Hywel said:

Random question but any reason this isn’t available?

The majority of the Missing Lands material is in the Guide to Glorantha.

7 hours ago, Scorus said:

The Prosopaedia has further retconned it such that both of us are wrong. The Aram ya-Udram entry has kept the old legend practically word for word but removed the EWF, but the encounter with Gouger occurs after the Dawn.

If you read it carefully, 'when the Long Night ended and the Dawn had begun' that's the Grey Age before the Dawn. See the description of the Ages in the Guide to Glorantha.

5 hours ago, Scorus said:

I was trying to reconcile GtG with the history of Aram-Ya-Udram written by Stafford in Wyrms Footnotes #3

Long retconed I fear.

5 hours ago, Scorus said:

Neither mention Maran Gor, where did you find that?

An unpublished source.

In the ancient world, tenants worked land in two different relationships with the landowner:

• A fixed annual payment to be made. If the harvest was poor the tenant could be pushed into debt because they might not be able to make the payment; if the harvest was good, the tenant enjoyed the excess. Debt often led to people becoming debt slaves.
• A percentage payment to be made according to the harvest. Less risk for the tenant if the harvest was poor, but less profit if the harvest was good.

The tenant could also indulge in other activities such as 'cottage industries' and hunting.

1 hour ago, Qizilbashwoman said:

i think the term "troll" here has always been a misnomer; they're part demon because they have been solo-worshipping the Darkness for thousands of years, not part-uz-proper.

For centuries, not millennia. Aram used a Darkness demon to help defeat Gouger but his people didn't worship the demon until long after his death.

Both the Guide to Glorantha and The History of the Heortling People place the Ivory Plinth as a site at the Dawn, so Arim slew Gouger before the Dawn, and the Arimites were riding tuskers before Time began. The Arimites became half-trolls much later. [THotHP has a half-troll king riding a tusker also called Gouger, but much much smaller than the child of Maran Gor killed by Arim Ya Udram.]

Peloria as a term in biology derives from Latin (a modern form) and from the Greek word pelōros, meaning 'monstrous'.

Just saying.....

15 hours ago, Erol of Backford said:

Who would do the smuggling for the Caprati and the Du Turmerine's or would they just do it themselves?

Given that the Queen will be deriving no small part of her income from port dues and duties, bear in mind that most smuggling will take place outside the port. For Nochet clandestine meetings between merchant tubs and reed boats and punts will occur south of the city where the marshy isles and twisting muddy channels will offer ideal hiding places for those boats to lurk, hide, load and unload.