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You mean Jeff can be Jeffed too.... weird man. I need some more hazia....
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Jeff posted in 2019 A few notes on the Torkani: Argan Argar is the tribal patron god. He is worshiped as a consort of Ernalda, as is Orlanth. Humakt is the most important war god, although Storm Bull is also popular. All the Lightbringers are worshiped. Their Rex cult is unique - as the tribal leaders need to worship Argan Argar in conjunction with Orlanth Rex. So I think the answer is "Your Rex cult for the Torkani May Vary"
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We're gonna need a bigger river.....π
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The inspiration(s) for Glorantha's cosmology and gods
Ali the Helering replied to Grivenger's topic in Glorantha
For me the joy of Greg's mythologising is that he would happily incorporate (almost?) anything into his thinking. Don't impose a boundary - leap it! -
To Lord Blackadder "You have a woman's bottom, my Lord"
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Pocharngo, give us the insight to warp the one to the other
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Southern (Trash) Tarsh Borders After Grizzly Peak
Ali the Helering replied to Erol of Backford's topic in Glorantha
I'm sorry, but I can't shake the image of Furthest cramped with trailersπ -
Southern (Trash) Tarsh Borders After Grizzly Peak
Ali the Helering replied to Erol of Backford's topic in Glorantha
While I am sure it is a typo, I find the title of this thread wonderfully judgemental...π€£ -
Unfortunately, as with so many works of fantasy literature, the lack of attention to demographics destroys it as a setting for serious campaign gaming. That is why I suggested it as an 'otherworld' or 'heroquest' setting from the RW.
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Are you saying that Orlanth is a Complete Anker with a silent W? I am appalled!
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Isn't it interesting to watch games development?
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I was very surprised at the time - and totally strapped for cash, so it wasn't good to hear, either! At the same meet (in London, UK) he suggested an interim approach to HeroQuesting involving dividing all skills over 100% by 10, and ignoring those below, with Rune Magic functioning as Battle/Spirit Magic, and those magics removed. Oddly enough, it kinda worked for a while....
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I talked to Greg about the change over from 2 to 3, immediately prior to the publication of the seminal Gods of Glorantha for 3. He told me that while GoG could easily be incorporated into 2 (with a bit of care and attention) 3 was far closer to his personal vision of Glorantha.
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Personally, I think clues are orange skin, disproportionate hands, money troubles and a tendency to wear baseball caps... I say this from the (comparative) safety of the UK, of course. We have pig molesters, rejoice!
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Gaining a chaos taint and the "act chaotically" category
Ali the Helering replied to Diadochoi's topic in Glorantha
Jolaty/Zolathi, Sheng Seleris' early mystic cult teaches 'All life is slavery'. A nice steal from Seneca.π -
Human sacrifice and other dark rituals in Orlanthi culture
Ali the Helering replied to UristMcTurtle's topic in Glorantha
The earliest Roman gladiatorial combats (it is generally, but not unanimously believed) were sacrifices to the spirit of the departed performed at their funeral. It became something rather different over the next few centuries, but I see no reason to assume it lost that sacred element. The only place I would disagree with you is limiting syncretism to polytheism. Christians have always been eager syncretisers.- 117 replies
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Ali the Helering replied to UristMcTurtle's topic in Glorantha
You do indeed remember correctly Joerg. 2 Kings 18, King Hezekiah broke up Nehushtan (A bronze snake allegedly made by Moses) since it was receiving propitiatory worship to ward off snake bite. In Josiah's reform in 2 Kings 23, the Jerusalem Temple had altars to 'all the starry hosts', altars 'on the roof(?), the chariots and horses of the Sun (Shamash) and worship implements for Ba'al (Zaphan or Hadad probably but not certainly) and Asherah taken out and destroyed. These were as nothing compared to the 'cleansings' elsewhere. There is one other very important thing to remember about Asherah. The text accompanying these bovine-human mixes is "YHWH and his Asherah". For much of the Late Bronze and Early Iron (at least), YHWH was married. Amongst other things, Josiah is enacting a divine divorce. As for WTF that calf thinks it is doing at bottom left 'coz it sure as heck ain't feeding from an udder...π€£- 117 replies
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Ali the Helering replied to UristMcTurtle's topic in Glorantha
That is my point. The fact that you get hit with two lightning bolts in the RW is both wildly improbable and a very poor case for turning to the deity of your choice. It is the sign of a simplistic and weak mind. That the psalm says "The fool says" doesn't mean it is correct and that the atheist is a fool. It only means that the psalmist is opinionated. In the United Kingdom, during the past 30 years, 58 people have died from lightning strikes, averaging about two deaths per year. Additionally, around 30 people are injured annually, according to the National Geographic. As a Minister of religion (Rev Ali the Helering) I have to tell you that I have never come across anyone who has converted after being hit by 'fire from on high'. The most recorded strikes on a single human is 7. I assume the local places of worship have installed revolving doors.- 117 replies
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Ali the Helering replied to UristMcTurtle's topic in Glorantha
I am hesitant as to whether this is a serious question or not, since cases abound! Slavery in the United States and the colonies that proceeded it? Some of the more oppressive Hindu and Buddhist states? How long a list do you actually want? I see no reason to believe that Gloranthans are more simplistic than RW humans. If the majority of our ancestors can see that there are obviously deities, but a significant minority disagree, why not Gloranthans? In the Bronze and Iron Ages the vast majority would tell you that the gods were totally evident. Atheism was sufficiently strong that it was spoken against in Psalm 14 "The fool says in his heart 'There is no god'".- 117 replies
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High resolution map of the Young Kingdoms?
Ali the Helering replied to Chaot's topic in Stormbringer
I think I may be in love.... (Tindalos always reminds me that love is not a zero-sum game, so I think I am still allowed my affair with the Argan Argar Atlas, and my teenage lust for Middle Earth....) -
MGDV, and I would only permit it in legal cases and clan (or above) negotiations.
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I am in the process of completing material for a course on The Religions of Ancient Israel (with apologies to Ziony Zevit whose title I have purloined) which I will be delivering at the College of the Nazarene, and I will happily make it available once done. They have rather panicked, and have advertised it as Religion (singular rather than plural)π‘ I will see what else I can dig out from my past stuff, but unfortunately much of it has transmigrated to silicon heaven after hacking by the friends of a malicious ex-.......
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I am afraid that I have to part company with you on this, because while Bret is an expert on matters of mail armour (seriously!) and was a lecturer for a course on mythology (although I really don't understand what he means by 'teaching mythology surveys') for a variety of sessions over the course of three years, that was over a decade ago, and scholarship moves on. His writings are interesting, but even he classifies some of them as completely one-sided, and therefore I would approach with caution. My writings and lectures are, of course, completely balanced and utterly rational.π
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I am afraid this is post-Enlightenment rationalisation. Actually, I think you are conflating and inverting the process. The concrete and achievable outcome IS that you are part of the community, NOT that you get personal sparkly special effects from the deity. Exactly so.