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  1. I won't say it's impossible but that would really suck. It's actually a very creative answer.
  2. Surely the entire purpose of the Closing was Zzabur seeking to actively destroy the power of the Jrusteli? In truth, Zistor was a catastrophically stupid thing for the Jrusteli, as it broke the Compromise and allowed the Gods to act in the world with a free hand. Had the Jrusteli never created Zistor, they might still be around. I am somewhat surprised that the pre-eminent hero-questers didn't figure out this problem, as it was hardly without precedent. I think Zzabur becoming active against the Jrusteli was the Western Tradition disciplining their own wayward followers. Of cours
  3. They are reasonably fast in a single direction, but as with defeating crocodiles and alligators, you can run in a zig zag, or a spiral, or use a Somali lope to change direction and the walrus needs to start moving its bulk laterally to stay on target and it loses forwards momentum. i.e. Dodge.
  4. You have to wonder what made it "Not a ship" though. I did pick up hints that whatever they did was a bit like a wyter ritual, but that is hardly a sorcery answer. I suppose half of what we need to ask here is "given that Zzabur is the greatest sorcerer ever, and his spell is in effect centuries after casting so he must have an immense INT to pull off a spell of that magnitude, so what sort of loophole would he miss?". The obvious one is that if you could make the ship seem like a living water creature, then the closing would almost certainly ignore the ship. Perhaps the spell looked for o
  5. Let us get a clearer understanding of what the Closing entails. Firstly it doesn't affect ships that are in sight of land. Secondly, it could be overcome at great cost, as the Last Ship (The Middle Sea Empire, p27) reveals. Sometimes it manifests as a becalming, while at other times it manifests as dangerously high seas. It should also be known that the God Learners used flying spells and flying craft and they too were under attack, but were they attacked by the Closing? Doubtful. I would suggest that the Closing was more than just Zzabur's spell. I think that the water folk were
  6. Heh, so if you roll the dice enough times Statistics will produce the impossible. That's in line with sorcerous thinking. I wonder if Zzabur did the calculations and figured out how long it would take? Still, I find it interesting that the God Learners couldn't crack the problem if one lone Esrolian nobleman could do so centuries later with incomplete records and a bit of rule of thumb, a slate, and a mosaic. Open Seas is, after all, a sorcery spell.
  7. The issue of the redevelopment of naval cultures has come up in another question, but it occurred to me that I don't recall ever reading how Dormal sidestepped The Closing. For those who haven't done the background reading, Dormal is the Sailor God. He was am Esrolian Nobleman, and is claimed as a son of Belintar, who became infatuated with the "call of Magasta". He had read about voyages during the second age, found a mosaic regarding how to build a ship on a Nochet boat shop floor, performed subsidiary research, obtained finance, and somehow figured out the sorcerous "Open Seas" ritual.
  8. I considered it odd as Esrolia is a very Earth Rune place, and for no other reason. IDK about you, but the notion of an Earth Rune society producing the renaissance of seacraft seems a little incongruous. On the other hand, the very incongruity of it may be why Dormal was able to sidestep the Closing; the gods never considered the possibility that anyone from an Earth Rune society would suddenly develop a fascination with the Oceans. As to what the loophole was, that is a question for another forum topic, and I think I will post it.
  9. Based on the illustration, I would say that the tongue attack might not be able to reach everywhere on the Bat's body, but the eye-spits can, as the bat is covered in eyes. IDK about this. The Bat is covered in eyes, so it can target all over itself from multiple angles imo. Classically the best way to get rid of the bat has always been to destroy its wings. I would suspect that Argrath would prompt Gonn Orta to rip them off the way a person would do so to a butterfly.
  10. Or is it? This is something even the gods are on record as saying that they don't actually know. If the gods don't actually know, and if travel to the void beyond the Sky Dome neither annihilates you nor gives you chaos features, but the primal plasma harvested from the Chaosium does, then what is really going on? I see the cosmic void as being very distinct from the Chaosium. Absence is not chaos, in fact it is closer to the Infinity Rune imo. The void is a place of cosmic dragons and mystics who have refuted the world. I suspect that if you have access to Air or some magical pr
  11. It is worth pointing out that there are plenty of sources of ivory other than walruses. Consider Mammoths, mastodons, Elk (2 ivory teeth), hippopotami (Water horses of Zola Fel), sperm whales, killer whales, narwhals (Magasta, Magasta, Magasta) warthogs (bestiary pig dogs). Walruses are diestrous with a 14-16 month gestation and reach maturity by age 15. This is comparatively slow reproduction. In Glorantha there are likely to me quite a few other somewhat fantastical beasts like Tuskers that produce ivory, but most will be pretty dangerous. And that is really the problem. I also don't t
  12. The truly odd thing about the situation is that Dormal comes from Nochet City. Allegedly Dormal is a son of Belintar and a noble by birth to his mother Valira. As a male noble he may have belonged to any of the masculine cults, but given that he first has to receive the prompting from Magasta, then become curious about ships, sees the mosaic on the boatshed floor, then research Diros the Sailor, etc, and he needed to know sorcery, I would argue that Dormal was a Lhankor Mhy initiate or better. This seems to be the best fit based on the evidence. It is possible that he also had some Issarie
  13. Incorrect. Orlanth holds the true Air rune, not an emanation thereof. Barntar possesses an emanation of the Air rune. Daga possesses an emanation of the Air rune. Orlanth is the Demiurge of his pantheon because he holds the power from which the others derive their power. Orlanth likely obtained his rune after the death of Umath, his father.
  14. Well then that isn't "experiencing the other", that is "experiencing the other as self". A fine definitional clarification, but an important one. More likely everyone in the throes of an illumination experience says they think these things don't matter, but after 36 hours of meditation they throw a fit when the pot of soup they prepared has been eaten without them despite the food potentially going to waste. Such is their un-attachment. It isn't the grand ideas an great challenges that wear people down, it is the grind of daily living that does it. Consider Howard Hughes dying a n
  15. I'm surprised you can't see why this is problematic. Yes, the Primal Plasma was necessary for the growth of the world, but at a certain point, growth becomes cancer. I think there are more than enough threats in Glorantha without chaos, so what is its real purpose? Why is it necessary? I think the allegory that "life is struggle" can be proven without recourse to a constant threat of universal annihilation. the Primal Plasma was the building material of life, but the deities then had control over it and made it into useful things that fitted within a pattern. Since the Unholy Trio pollut
  16. Wakboth holds the chaos rune, ergo, Wakboth IS chaos. You say Wakboth is not all Chaos, but how certain of that are you? Do you doubt that Wakboth can call the creatures of chaos to leap into his mouth to sustain him, but obliterate themselves in the process? As to Wakboth liberating the creatures of Glorantha from their gross matter, well what about liberating minds from sanity, and for that matter, liberating those who exist into the blissful non-existence they knew before their birth? In this sense the Crimson Bat is also a great liberator, but the teaching methods are a bit extreme, an
  17. The Broo healer of the Rockwoods mainly heals broos. And yes, a good Uroxi would commit suicide rather than take on a chaos feature, but is an illuminated Uroxi a good Uroxi? Is an illuminated anything a good anything? Not for long. Dragonewts do many odd things, and never rule out wearing garters. "Shame on anyone who thinks evil of it"
  18. And why would I do that when none of the evidence points to any other view being correct? Right, so, we should take a broo's opinion of the truth over the rest of Glorantha's? The only reason Glorantha has a diversity of opinion is because it rejects chaos. Had the bulk of Glorantha simply accepted Chaos, all those views you are saying are so diverse and important would have simply ceased to exist, having been destroyed by Kajabor and Wakboth and the world would be dead. Where's the diversity in that horrible gooey monoculture of dead chaos slime? I am defending the right of Gloran
  19. Nope. Chaos is definitely the death of the world, or Glorantha would revere Wakboth as a great liberator and a new god. Kajabor was so powerful that even the spirit of Glorantha herself couldn't actually destroy him, but had to turn Entropy into Time to curtail this immensely destructive force, which even now is destroying everything in Glorantha, just more slowly, and will inevitably completely destroy the world eventually. The fact is, Glorantha existed perfectly happily before chaos, and to remove chaos would be an immense blessing. There is no "spiritual message" involved here. You hav
  20. The point is that within the history of Glorantha illumination HAS been exploited by munchkins, over and over again. And yes, that means this was part of the Author's intention, unequivocally. Illumination seems benign on one's first parse of the info, but it isn't. Illumination is actually a hugely insidious and destructive force in Glorantha. Then you are doing it wrong. Orlanth has so many aspects and subcults that it is eminently possible to play any number of variations on the theme, who are all utterly individual and unlike each other... Unless you are playing HQ, as then yo
  21. Bronze age warfare shouldn't quite be subject to the same moral compass we would ourselves apply. They are a society where the routine slaughter of animals for sustenance is a matter of necessity and religious observance. The death of enemies is a matter for which you rejoice and thank the gods. if you can slaughter them in massive job lots, so much the better; thank the gods even more. To talk about innocent victims is culturally ignorant and inappropriate. Were they innocent victims when they sent their sons to lay waste to Sartar ? Were they innocent victims when they bent their knee
  22. Isn't it ? I would have said that every munchkin and his little brother dog would have been lining up around the block to get the perk that lets you join any cult. There simply isn't anything intrinsically spiritual about dodging your responsibilities, culturally determined or otherwise. Nysalor illumination is a false illumination that amounts to spiritual materialism. It isn't even about actually seeking refuge from suffering, it's all just about unlocking power. Any actual spiritual dimension is largely irrelevant. And what is the spiritual message of Nysalor? It amounts to "Chaos is
  23. Yes is definitely is a joke of that sort... But do you seriously think that Illumination isn't also Munchkins gaming the rules? But it leads to another form of munchkins gaming the rules. Consider... You transcend cultural determinism, rejecting the implicit cultural limits you have been taught to accept, and are now spiritually immune to the repercussions of breaking them. This leads to moral relativism, supported by casuistry, that forsakes all limits in the pursuit of power. It is the very definition of munchkinism, dressed up in a New-Age frock sprouting a chaos feature that nob
  24. This sounds very promising. Poland and its people often pleasantly surprise me. despite their implacable hatred of vowels. Błogosławieństwa dla was wszystkich
  25. "Keep deep lore out of newbie threads. If you can’t say it in one paragraph it’s not appropriate for a new user post. Deep lore threads are awesome places to learn, but only when you are ready for them. Help new members by linking to existing deep lore posts with “Here is some more information if you are interested.” Have more in depth info to add? Make a new thread and link to it. Remind your fellow experienced members to continue the conversation there." I don't believe we should talk down to people or restrict them from "adult conversations". Deep lore conversations can be very tantal
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