Tcneseis
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I meant that they are still alive. I think neither the God Learners nor Sheng Seleris changed them very much, but i may be wrong (see for instance, The Fortunate Succession). Yes, they seem basically similar, although the general approach is quite different.
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Is it in Heroquest Glorantha? As a matter of fact, what about Dayzatar? I don't think Kralorela has tight connections with the Dara Happan Empire, notwithstanding what mythologies may imply, it's not always wise to draw inferences from it. What is believed true in the East may conflict with what is believed true in Peloria, even if both claim to know the truth. Is the solar tradition of Kralorela old? I think it is contemporary.
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Is Nysaloran Illumination potentially or completely Chaotic? There is a great conflict between Arkat and Nysalor, which this version of illumination ignores. I don't understand the reasons for saying Arkat was illuminated. I thought that in Kralorela, where Dragons are worshiped, Illumination was taught by Metsyla, who is not the recommended Kralorelan option.
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Guide to Glorantha Group Read Week 13 - Sylila
Tcneseis replied to David Scott's topic in Guide to Glorantha Group Read
Perhaps if the creditor pays his debt (including some financial penalty), the Tax Demons will show clemency. I'm not sure. You could grab the throne then cancel your own debt. I have no idea who the Tax Demons obey in the empire, but in my opinion, some people are loyal enough to the Emperor, others are not. So the process could be a little more similar to how Khordavu gained the Princes of the Ten Tests' loyalty in the First Age. -
Guide to Glorantha Group Read Week 13 - Sylila
Tcneseis replied to David Scott's topic in Guide to Glorantha Group Read
The Guide calls them taxes. Can the satraps or the emperors pay such tributes-for-protection? That would mean they are trying to buy powerful enemies, but it's not the same thing. -
Guide to Glorantha Group Read Week 13 - Sylila
Tcneseis replied to David Scott's topic in Guide to Glorantha Group Read
Who is more powerful than the Emperor's temporal representative? Certainly, but in that case clan loyalties to a priest rather than to the Satrap may cause serious trouble in the Satrapy. Powerful temples like the Temple of the Reaching Moon or Hwarin Dalthippa are strategic. Their loyalty shouldn't be questionable. Both extend outside the areas controlled by Satraps. But the natives provide some of the resources needed to work the temples. Other, less powerful temples, can be managed from within a Satrapy. Non-Lunar temples can be required to pay taxes. Now, maybe the temples are not organised in economic networks and pay their taxes to different local rulers, but the empire may have an incentive to deal with these networks directly. Appius Luxius, who oversees the Lunar Provinces, has this type of relation with the Emperor. Maybe I've missed a reference somewhere. -
Guide to Glorantha Group Read Week 13 - Sylila
Tcneseis replied to David Scott's topic in Guide to Glorantha Group Read
If it's a question of power, it should be harder. Yes, I see. -
Guide to Glorantha Group Read Week 13 - Sylila
Tcneseis replied to David Scott's topic in Guide to Glorantha Group Read
I doubt that the Temples of the Reaching Moon pay any tax. Then you have cases like Etyries' cult. Isn't it rather individual merchants who should pay a tax on their profits to whatever authority is able to control them? Hwarin Dalthippa's cult brings many benefits and is a sacred duty, so I don't understand how secular powers would be able to levy tax on her temples. -
Guide to Glorantha Group Read Week 13 - Sylila
Tcneseis replied to David Scott's topic in Guide to Glorantha Group Read
Ok. Then the office of priest is conferred on the satrap, not by the Emperor, but by the Sylilan people. Is it necessary to convince a tributary king? In my opinion, Hwarin Dalthippa's cult should be exempted from taxes to the Provincial kings, though the Emperor may collect his cut of the tithes. -
Guide to Glorantha Group Read Week 13 - Sylila
Tcneseis replied to David Scott's topic in Guide to Glorantha Group Read
I don't know how strict this would be. Why would the temple owe any tribute to the Provincial kings? -
Guide to Glorantha Group Read Week 13 - Sylila
Tcneseis replied to David Scott's topic in Guide to Glorantha Group Read
Suppose the satrap is actually invested with a heavy religious burden, like this -- the Red Emperor rules Sylila, with the satrap as a representative. But otherwise the satrap is the Red Emperor. Now Hwarin Dalthippa is the Emperor's daughter. But the Red Emperor cannot be his own daughter's high priest, because she should worship him, not the other way round. So the satrap cannot either. -
Guide to Glorantha Group Read Week 13 - Sylila
Tcneseis replied to David Scott's topic in Guide to Glorantha Group Read
I think there are other ways to confirm a political marriage than to set up a priesthood. The groom could assume the military command of a friendly foreign troop in the bride's kingdom, for example. But there are many cases of magical religious alliances in Glorantha so I like this suggestion. -
Guide to Glorantha Group Read Week 13 - Sylila
Tcneseis replied to David Scott's topic in Guide to Glorantha Group Read
Probably better association is as hereditary temple/cult leaders. I see. The Hwarin Dalthippa cult is their main job in Sylila. I'm not sure I understand this very well. I don't think it's a major satrapal duty, but it makes sense that the relationships with the Provinces allow them to arrange marriages, though other cults are available. -
Guide to Glorantha Group Read Week 13 - Sylila
Tcneseis replied to David Scott's topic in Guide to Glorantha Group Read
The Sylilan emphasis on Odayla too, makes them different, but I understand that they have the same marriage customs. The satrap is not a native from Sylila but he is able to form alliances with royal dynasties in the Provinces. It's true King Pharandros was not really a typical Tarshite. Their families may be more like rich merchants than traditional Orlanthi nobles. -
Guide to Glorantha Group Read Week 13 - Sylila
Tcneseis replied to David Scott's topic in Guide to Glorantha Group Read
If as in Orlanthi culture land is held by virtue of the upper echelon's agreement, then Sylila and the Provinces cannot work together very well. -
Guide to Glorantha Group Read Week 13 - Sylila
Tcneseis replied to David Scott's topic in Guide to Glorantha Group Read
On p319, in the box on the Errio-unit, they are said to be related by marriage with barbarian ruling houses from the Provinces. Don't such marriages come with gifts of lands or something? If the Errio-unit marry Provincial noble daughters, they may take them home in Sylila, but they may also receive lands in the Provinces and own them. The reverse would also apply. Now Sylila is not really owned by the Errio-unit clan. They rule it with the Emperor's agreement. -
I like Pocharngo's cult striving towards perfection. Maybe you mean like alchemists? I'm not sure it is consistent with the deity though. Yes it is not clear how chaos may (randomly or not) manifest itself in places where it's building up. There is also Thed's Chaos Spawn spell. I suppose that the buildup may be of Primal chaos, which is rather energetic than material. But then again, Wakboth being buried in the place had an effect. It reminds me that Time was created by Arachne Solara's eating Kajabor. So Primal chaos is, in a way, ever flowing through the web of Glorantha in a domesticated form.
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Yes it does. Chaos worshippers have access to it. I agree. I mean it's a very basic form of chaos, unlike most others. So I graded it as much simpler-minded.
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Thank you for your answers. I told myself that maybe Chaos features sprout from something deeper than Pocharngo's mutations. It's difficult to tell Chaos horrors apart. Their cults too. In my opinion the general physical destruction caused by Pocharngo is far more primal than Chaos features. But this doesn't agree with the psychology of Chaos, where Primal Chaos is the basest form.
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Hi I'd like to know if the mutations caused by Pocharngo are related to Primal Chaos, which should imply some magical properties or maybe some danger when handling them.
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My sources say that Dehore is at the top of the hierarchy of the Dehori, but that genealogical connections are not very strict in the Darkness. Some beings have to be difficult to classify.
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Isn't he chosen among one of many competing families after Sheng Seleris's empire? Some may have connections with the former Red Emperor's family. I think he reigned for about 200 years or more.
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Guide to Glorantha Group Read Week 11 - Caladraland
Tcneseis replied to David Scott's topic in Guide to Glorantha Group Read
This might be why the name has changed. Why not the laws of some Germanic tribes of the late Roman Empire? Weren't constitutions mostly an urban evolution? -
Is Jonat a fully-fledged war god? Other animal gods are mentioned, including the Black Bear and Bakan the Boar. Aren't the Lightbringers found in Jonatela too? There was a story in Anaxial's Roster telling of how these gods turned to animal forms to escape the knights. How does the cult of Talor fit into this barbarian pantheon?