Richard S.

I don't think Chaosium has the rights anymore, and while they may be interested in reacquiring them it's not a high priority.

The copper plates of Yuthuppa (Mythology, p40) name the eight original sons as Zator, Reladivus, Shargash, Derdurnus, Deumalos, Falsoretus, Verithurus, and Ghevengus. They're all in the Prosopaedia I think.

Love that instead of going with mystic lunar symbolism, or the classic fantasy roman look, they just decided that it's bat time now.

On the topic of same/different god debates...

3 minutes ago, Godlearner said:

If you have differnt Myths, how can you be the same God?

What myths do they have that directly contradict each other? And even then, the godtime being contradictory and nonlinear is an already established fact so I don't see how it disproves anything. The fact of the matter is that the official stance has Lhankor Mhy and Buserian as the same god - you can call it a retcon, have it be different in your Glorantha, but at this point it can't be disputed within the context of published Glorantha.

The Seven Mothers were fully mortal before their ascension. It's been noted that Irrippi Ontor and Yanafal Tarnils have similar cult structures to Lhankor Mhy and Humakt, but it's never been suggested that they're the same beings.

Dendara and Ernalda, similarly, have similar ranks and requirements but are still separate beings. Though their separateness is a little more complicated.

Buserian and Lhankor Mhy are fully identical save for associated cults, as Buserian is only associated with Yelm and probably Mostal. They're the same entity though, the Dara Happens presumably just prefer the part of the godtime where the Knowing God is a part of Yelm's court.

https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/lhankor-mhy-in-central-genertela/

1 hour ago, metcalph said:

The relationship between Lhankor Mhy and Buserian is like Dendara and Ernalda.  They should *be* the same god but they resist attempts to make them so.

I don't think Buserian and Lhankor Mhy have that sort of relationship at all; it's probably just languages making the name different, like Lightfore/Kargzant/Yelmalio/Elmal/Antirius/Metsyla. Dendara and Ernalda are unique in that they actively refused to admit sameness or even kinship with each other.

19 hours ago, French Desperate WindChild said:

I agree with all of the answers however there is the question of EWF

what could (not was dragonewts are alien after all) be the dragonewts reasons to « draconize » human gods ?

and in that way, did they, at this time, respected some gods more than others ?

Or did they just trick the sentient flesh ?

The dragonewts taught some of their secrets to humans, including dragon magic. The people most in on the secrets were the human priesthoods, so some draconic secrets probably began to leak into their regular rites, but no gods were "draconised" as far as we know, though many dragons (and/or draconic heroes) were worshiped as gods. The closest thing was probably the Orlanth Dragonfriend cult, though that was probably just a subcult of Orlanth teaching Auld Wyrmish. The common religion of the EWF stayed largely Lightbringer until 889, when the Third Council ordered that all Lightbringer worship should be directed to them instead.

6 hours ago, Shiningbrow said:

The first is - you state he's a "Yelmalio" initiate, but is this the Sun Dome new type, or is it an Elmali holdover/traditionalist one? If there's a good Elmal connection, then you can make it work easier!

I don't think the Runegate Yelmalians have any more connection to Lhankor Mhy than the Sun Dome does. Even going back to Storm Tribe I'm not seeing anything.

12 minutes ago, metcalph said:

Except that Yelmalio is present in Dara Happa.  From Cults of Runequest: Mythology p153-154

Darjiin 4%

Doblian 1%

Oraya 4%

Sylila 4%

Whoops, I just completely missed that. Regardless, I still doubt they'd be any better than neutral.

3 minutes ago, metcalph said:

There's always Buserian but I doubt there are any temples to him locally. 

I don't think Yelmic Lhankor Mhy would have any more connection to Yelmalio than Lightbringer Lhankor Mhy does. Buserian is mostly a Dara Happan cult while Yelmalio is barely present there, so there might even be less of a connection.

Yelmalio and Lhankor Mhy may not be friendly, but Cults of Prax did note that they do occasionally have close ties. Light Priests must be literate, which essentially makes Lhankor Mhy lay membership a requirement, and I'd bet there's a connection through mapmaking as well, which both Lhankor Mhy's Grey Ones and Yelmalio's Togtuvei teach. Sharing the Truth rune is doubtless also helpful.

I don't see any problem with allowing your player to join, but make sure to remind them that being a dual initiate is going to eat up a lot more of their free time and money. They might have some trouble getting accepted immediately, since they weren't an apprentice, but that's more a problem of how long it'll take rather than whether they can.

41 minutes ago, Squaredeal Sten said:

6. Cult; Don’t do this. You are not yet adult, cults don’t take children. Children are not taught
magic.

I think the current view is that cult initiation happens between 16-18, and is synonymous with adulthood initiation. So, technically, cults do take children, though they're probably no longer children by the time they gain their first spell.

Why not Lhankor Mhy? He doesn't have any racial restrictions, and if your trollkin is free enough to be making his own living then he's probably outside of troll lands, so access to an LM temple shouldn't be a problem. No better cult for a scribe than the god of scribes!

Argan Argar is great for being an intermediary between trolls and humans, but not so much for paperwork.

12 minutes ago, kalidor said:

Is she friendly with the lightbringers pantheon?

She's an associate of Orlanth Thunderous (gets Cloud Call), so yes with him at least. I assume she gives Flood in return, like Engizi does, but I don't believe it's said anywhere.

Last I've heard it's still slated for March 2024

I think the removing the fetch thing is probably a holdover from when things hadn't been developed as much, since it's pretty much copypasted from RQ2. Alternatively, maybe you can read it that troublesome shamans will end up on the wrong side of a spirit of reprisal and get killed. That'd certainly require superhuman effort to reverse!

9 hours ago, Akhôrahil said:

I thought the model Jeff presented on Facebook, where you track the demands on your mind/spirit/soul from your various commitments (in percent), looks a lot more promising than the traditional RQ model that mostly just annoys people and may if applied make adventuring difficult.

Is that post on the well of daliath? That sounds interesting.

19 minutes ago, Godlearner said:

My issue at the moment is that Daka Fal grants all Common divine to his worshippers. Does that mean that worship of ones clan's ancestors gives the sme access?

Yes. Daka Fal is the default form of ancestor worship.

19 minutes ago, Godlearner said:

What about a merman, can he worship Magasta as an ancestor and gain these spells as well?

No, because Magasta isn't an ancestor of the Triolini.

I could see something like every iron dwarf's armor having an essentially permanent casting of Shape Iron on it (expiring in a few hundred years or so), allowing them to be easily repaired or resized for another soldier.

8 minutes ago, Gray Mouser said:

Hello all. The art of this new book is gorgeous! Where can i see a list of labeled deities, as in the earth or storm cults books? Thanks!

If you're talking about the monomyth art foldout, it's intentionally unlabeled. I think that since it's trying to condense the whole gods war into a single image, the viewer is supposed to come to their own conclusions about what all is happening and who is represented.

Anyone else see this blog post last week? There's already been talk about the Lunar book over on the RQ board, but apparently the Pendragon core book and a campaign (The Grey Knight) are releasing in March as well. Good to finally get a date.

https://www.chaosium.com/blogthree-new-chaosium-releases-for-march-2024/

It's permanent POW, yes. What spells are needed where and cast by who is heavily planned and regulated, so the POW loss is negligible on the scale of Mostali projects. I believe the old Elder Secrets book mentioned that dwarves would passively gain POW every year or so by following the way of Mostal, making up for the loss incurred by the few spells they'd needed to cast themselves in that period. I imagine that dwarf technology more than makes up for their limited use of spells.

Of course sometimes plans go awry, and there are times when dwarves are forced to run themselves dry in constant magic use, but their recycling is a necessary sacrifice. And maybe the Silvers have found ways to make other types of tools pay the cost, like unfortunate spirit batteries or human captives.

I think there's some confusion since "Thunderbolt" could refer to either the noise of thunder or the Rune spell Thunderbolt (which is really a lightning bolt).

4 hours ago, FlamingCatOfDeath said:

His murders aftermath has made him destined to be devoured by entropy so I don’t think he views his current situation as an improvement 

Time is what prevents the gods from being devoured by entropy. Sure, entropy's a part of time now, but the gods are protected from it. I'd say that's an improvement from sitting in the underworld waiting to be devoured by Kabajor.

7 minutes ago, Agentorange said:

“We have long ago paid the goblins trolls of Moria Dagori Inkarth,” said Thorin Isidilian; “we must give a thought to the Necromancer.”