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  1. I have missed that.... Can you tell me more about it? Is it a future Chaosium product?
  2. @g33k: yes it's helping, thanks. But i am dreaming on novel in Glorantha (and translated into french! )
  3. I aggree with that, but why not continue the RQG idea of focusing on some world area and publish cultural material in Sartar/Dragon Pass first and then materials where RQG will go?
  4. Hello all of you. I am playing/reading RQG since the beginning, but never played RQ before. As an old new player i have some remarks on what stuff is missing in RQG in order to live a more immersive playing experience. I think that we need to know more about Glorantha. Actual books, with the basic rules book, the bestiary and the Glorantha Sourcebook explain a lot of things in this universe and allow a good basic playing experience. But we can found a lot of information about mythic and history of the world and very few things about mundane things (how are living standard peoples, what are they feeling, etc...). In other games, based on novels or movies, we generally know this things by reading or watching the novel/movie, but in Glorantha, there is not such thing. And for me are missing materials that can make the decor more real! We will soon (in 2021, at last), have materials that's can help (Cults books, Game Master stuff, etc...), but can we hope a book/novel/movie (i am joking with the movie, it's a very expensive "material")? But, perhaps, there are materials that i don't know. For exemple, is "Prince of Sartar" a good material for this, and is there other materials printed for HQ or previous version of RQG that done the job?
  5. Hello Jeff, i am only familiar with last RQG rules, but when i was reading them i have the feeling that you want to make it easy to play and fast to start playing even for bigginer (Glorantha backround is very huge, but you can play without knowing all mythologies, for exemple). Am i true? If yes can you tell me some exemples where you have done such things and why have you make this choice? Do you plan to continue it? Thanks.
  6. I would like but accessing informations from one thousand hundred years ago is very hard for me. If you have found some, please let me know, i will be very pleased to begin to solve my ignorance trouble.
  7. Before the starting of history (it's begun when writing come), there were hundred thousands years of human societies, and we have no real ideas about what they were thinking. So how can you says that torture prohibition is modern? Personnaly, i am sure that somewhere in the past this idea was living... Remember that some native people of north america where socialy more advanced than the barbarians european invaders... Please forget that you are a citizen of W.E.I.R.D, and have a look again!
  8. This seems to be a very sad state... But why ghosts, who are dead, have some desires, or does is it because ghost have desires that they are ghosts?
  9. I have a query: could a "man" spirit join a new cult (after his death)? More generally could spirits act and change when they are dead? Edit: a more general query will be what is Death in Glorantha?
  10. Pheres

    Is it possible

    It's very interesting is there some informations about the Flesh Man in some RQG products? (I am including the Guide in them)
  11. Pheres

    Is it possible

    According to all your replies, and several others i have read in other topics i can say that what i really like in Glorantha is YGWV, because everything is subject to imagination of all players over the table, and we can really make a new world based on a ton of old stories! But starting to understand this universe take a long time... Edit: About the time it takes to understand Glorantha, i can see that Chaosium is making a great job in order to simplify the understanding, and it's great!
  12. Pheres

    Is it possible

    I am not sure that the world would be better, but it should be more understandable for us poor french people!
  13. I have a Daka Fal shaman who leave in Sartar. He want to improve his social status. But in Sartar you are not great if you are not an Orlanthi, and he can not join Orlanth cult because Orlanth cult is not an ancestors cult associated to Daka Fal cult... He don't want to become an illuminate, because he is freighten by illumination and think it's chaos related. But he has an idea: why not heroquesting in order to turn Orlanth cult into an ancestor worshiping cult associated to Daka Fal? I think that he has a great idea that nonone had before!!! Oh, i hear someone saying God learners in the back... Ok, i stop trying to frighten all of you and i must admit that i was joking! Edit: i apologize, by Orlanthi, and would like to say Orlanth cult members, not the inhabitants of Sartar and other countries who trust in Orlanth pantheon... English is a damned language!
  14. No i don't want illuminates to be unemotional, but i ask : is there some kind of illuminations that make you unemotional? Because in Glorantha it seems that illumination let you see all things as an illusion, so my query is what's about your feeling? But i aggreed with a lot of answers that's says it could be or/and not, Glorantha is ambiguous... I think, that a "true" reply would be YGWV! But i would like to know if there is a canonical answer.
  15. But, as I said, thats just like, your opinion, man. That amounts to saying "what matters isn't whether they committed horrifying atrocities when they felt it necessary, what really matters is whether they cried about it afterwards." Well, you can think whatever you think about their personal morality. But does it really matter? I apologize, i was wrong, i have use the wrong word (as you have certainly noticed, english is not my foreign language). A man who can't feel nothing is not a sociopath (it could be, but all people that dont feel emotions are not all sociopath!). The true word for someone who don't feel anything is a psychopath (by definition, according to : https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/psychopath) So i really apologize Davecake, because the real query i want an answer is does all illuminates are psychopaths?
  16. I am taking the bus in order to go to my work, and regularly see 3 years olds class children in it. At 3 years old, i have never seen a child that is racist, they always play with other children regardless of their skins colors. But later some of them will become haters, why? It's because at 3 years old you are not following all social limitations, you are running the basic human software, and the basic let you feel, you can love, feel sad when one of your friends is, ect... Ok at 3 years old they can't make some sort philosophical reasoning, but they are knowing what is basically bad or not, from just a human animal point of view. Don't think about old way of thinking about animals, today we know that a lot of animals can do altruistic behaviors, without winning something immediately, animals aren't philosophers, as we know, but they have some empathy and emotions... We become sociopath if we forget our animal part, so, it's why i asked does illumination let you forget your animal part or not?
  17. I can answer your query, if they just feel sorrow they not are sociopath, because they feel something... Remember about Albert Enstein, who worked on the Manhattan project in order to made firsts atomic's bomb, he worked hard, because like others he was thinking that it was necessary to have them in order to stop the war. But when he saw the result of two firts bombing he start to fight against atomic's weapons, because he had felt some remorse... But he was human. History tell us that bad things have been done for some great goals, but look at it, only winners are writing history, and i am sure that they never write that they were bad men! Even in a lot of mythologies we can read that bad acts are turn to great things. Have a look in christian mythology on Sodome and Gomorrhe event, the bible's god destroy the both cities, including, all women and all childs, by burning them, because inhabitants have made sins, according to the god... One thing i am sure is that a lot of children were not sinners, but divin fire burn them... In the bible it's written like a gret god victory, but from a human point of view, it's a crime against humanity! I am not sure that Winston Churchill will do for a second time the same things he done the first time, if he remember them, but he's successors will do the same, because they have read in history books that it was the good ones! Churchill was a great man, as a man he have made mistakes, but he won, so we think that all he had done was good, but that's not true! About your last sentence about Argrath/ARkat/etc... i completely aggree, from my point of view, it's to all GM to answer them, because Glorantha let you the choice... (YGWV)
  18. I can't aggree with that, a great leader must be a great man, and a man must live with remorse if he sacrifice many lives for a greater goal, if he feel no remorse, he is a sociopath, by definition! Plus winning is not a goal that's need sacrifice, for my point of view, a long life for everyone is a good goal for that!
  19. Now, i am thinking that perhaps the both kind of illuminations exists. One that let you become a super human, and one other that let you become a super chaotic monster! With this idea, there could be some traps in the path of illumination!
  20. I have a stupid question to ask to Chaosium team, and especially Jeff Richard: According to Canne's Jeff's interview, a huge RPG game materials will be produce by Chaosium... But for us, standard rpg players, it will be very hard to play all the stuff in one single life! So do your team planned to make a new job: professional rpg gamers that can play all your stuff and get monthly income from just playing? Thanks to all of you Chaosium! )
  21. I don't answer, because you ask, and because all your queries are related to cultural behavior, not basic human behaviors... an illumination process that allow you to analyse and take control of your emotions seems, from my point of view, an enhancement, because you still continue to love and take into account other peoples. But a process that let you feel nothing seems a chaotic process! Even, if in both case you can not take into account cultural frame. In one case you are human, in the other case you are not an human at all...
  22. That's sound good, but how can you in the same time become "more you", by don't taking care of cultural limitations and forget what is good or evil? Because for a big part what is said good or evil in a society is coming from our human part. On Earth it's always seen as a bad act to hurt someone else from the same community, some communities extend this concept to closest or far away communities and see other human as human like us (this is a cultural limitation), but the basic concept of it come from our human part, as a social animal, it's something that's coming from our basic programation... I aggree that an individual will have a different feeling about it, someone without cultural limitation will see only its closed family members as members of its community when an other will see all humans as its community members. But the fact is, except for sociopath, every one, outside of cultural constraints, will see someone else as a member of its community... So becoming more you could extend the feeling that other humans are like you, when your previous feeling was that humans were only the members of your cultural community... (Ok it's depend on who you are) Becoming more you could let you see that all humans are your brothers and sisters... And you will never see "outsiders" as things, but human like you (you will forget racisism and other bad things like that), so it can open your mind and your heart! But this feeling seems to be lost in Gloranthan illuminations, you are loosing your heart... Acting as a human become a philosophical thinking, it's not your heart that is showing you your way but only your brain! It's why i have said that you become mutilated, loosing our heart is loosing our humanity... So the true query is, does Gloranthan illumination let you loose your heart? One last thing, from my point of view, an illuminated will feel all emotions, but can choose to control/not follow them more easily than all of us. And by loosing our heart i mean never feel emotions and turn to a machine! But perhaps in Glorantha exists both things... Perhaps their are illuminations paths that let you don't forget your heart, becoming more yourself, and other paths were you loose it, becoming a non feeling creature? I could see the firsts path like ways developed by sentients sages and the second ones ways developed by chaotic peoples... If true, we could ask: what kind of path have followed Arkat, and what path is following Argrath, and all others that would like to become illuminated? Illumination could be a way for human to become greater, chaotic illumination could be a way develop by chaotic cults to make very powerfull chaotic tools! In this point of view trying to follow an illumination path could be hazardous...
  23. If you go this way, remember that philosophy is the mother of all sciences. And goal of them is to see the Truth. So seeing limitation of a cult don't mean that you will become less human. From my experience it's the opposite in fact... I can remeber what have said to me someone i have met. He knew that i am atheist and he told me that if he stop trusting in god he will make a lot of bad things! But, he was wrong, as social animals human have a lot of inner rules and mecanism that let us be social animals, like don't hurting someone else, because our empathy let us feel what will feel this one, and we don't want to be hurt! Sciences and philosophy can show you that cults or cultural bad practices are bad, and using philosophy as a tool to change yourself can turn you to an outsider, from a cultural point of view, but a human one, because the things that's stay are your human mecanism. Something that let you forbid your species mecanism, like empathy, is not something that make you great, but something that make you mutilated... Perhaps Illumination in Glorantha is something that let you loose your humanity/soul/spirit and let you mutilated?
  24. Hello all of you, i have read things about illumination in the Guide and other sources. This process let me think that perhaps, because illumination is a process that is making you seing everything as an illusion, that you can pass from human to inhuman being. I explain: it's seems that illumination can put away from you your empathy, and that you don't feel hurt when an other human is hurt, so you become something different than a human... Am i true? Is the respons not only yes or no, but can depend on the initiation process itself?
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