Shiningbrow

First few pacts for the new shaman... Sure. Experienced shaman who's looking for something fairly easy to get isn't going to spend not only the POW, but also be restricted to a very inconveniencing or restricting taboo. I know it was merely a quick example that came to mind, but consider how many players would be willing to sacrifice 2 POW for that Befuddle (plus a taboo). Gotta be pretty dire situation to do that. No need for a flame war @Bill the barbarian... Just discussing cost/benefit analysis. It's not in any way inflammatory to suggest that some benefits really aren't worth the price asked/demanded.

Depends how powerful the spirit is... A measly little 20 pointer doesn't really have a lot of leverage. Plenty of other fish (spirits) in the Sea .

The Red Goddess is a sham....

It's not in the Cults write-up, and it's optional in the Cults section of the charges creation process. One additional word in the sorcery section would help to clarify. It would take a good sentence or two in the cult write-up that would *drastically* change the meaning. Please address the lack in the Cults write-up, not the tangent (and interpretation) of the sorcery section. You made the categorical statement "All runemasters of Lhankor Mhy know and teach sorcery. They wouldn't be runemasters if they didn't". Big claims require big proofs. (Don't respond to the person... Respond to the argument)

Is this what we've come down to? Mhy puns are better than yours?

Really need to have a good <groan> emoji... 😓??

Referencing for the world of Glorantha - fine. Using it as a source for Runequest rules - only useful as a reference, not as canon (obviously). Not even remotely bizarre, as it's not mentioned in the cult write-up. In fact, the cult write-up for LM opposes this (@kcloser has just posted the page numbers in the other thread). And nowhere is there a suggestion that - This is the quote from you above... there is nothing in the texts (either in the cult write-up nor in the sorcery section) that hints at this...

Not directly connected to the discussion - I think we'd all have to say that " logical reasoning and wisdom literature" =/= "sorcery". Again a fairly clear mention of being taught sorcery. To get around it, you have to again mentally insert qualifications that are nowhere present in the text. Nope! It's in the section specifically devoted to sorcery, so it's a perfectly valid assumption to think that it only applies to those who choose to learn sorcery - especially as the (yes, limited) cult write-up completely fails to mention it as a requirement for either of their Rune Masters, and as part of the Cult Skills... Again a fairly clear mention of being taught sorcery. To get around it, you have to again mentally insert qualifications that are nowhere present in the text.  Yes, again - valid inference - again, given what it says in the cult write-up which is a pretty solid "qualification" that is clearly present in the text! It is a clear cut mention that sorcery is available (probably in most temples), but in no way suggests that it is mandatory - again, because it's not in the cult write-up! Naturally - it's called "Cognitive Bias". A greater deal of 'interpretation' is required to assert that it's a requirement for all initiates. It's a ridiculous assertion to say that *all* Rune Master's are required to have 'mastered' sorcery to teach it to initiates. Personally, I'd be happy to agree with you if the evidence was there to support the argument (my first RQG character would be an LM sorcerer...) - but it's not! It makes more sense to me to suggest that the use of sorcery in LM is part of a sub-cult devoted to it (but can be taught to other initiates).

So... "all sources... Except for the important ones" ... Please, supply a quote from the book that supports your claim! (Yeah, I'm looking at it now... And there's nothing there!!!)

That's a negative, Houston! Firstly, we're in the Runequest forum, not Glorantha - so references to Heroquest are fairly invalid. Secondly, Runequest: Glorantha (currently, about the only relevant source material for the current edition) in NO way suggests (or even mildly implies) that sorcery is *required* For Runemastery, let alone teach it!

No, it isn't. As said above, this LM sorcery hasn't appeared in any other *Runequest* source. You might want to change your "all" to a "some" ... Or if you're lucky - "most".

I'm surprised by how tat-free she appears to be (although that could be my eyes).

Just made me think of a new line to try out.... "My mother is Jar-eel and my father is Harrek"

Is there any (good) reason why an allied spirit or ancestor, or even Fetch couldn't attune a powered crystal?

You have an awesomely great canonical source for this extreme claim? It does, after all, contradict basically everything ever written for RQ about LM.

He's not a duck... He's a new type of broo.

You can't - you're illiterate! 😛 (and, because you're an Orlanthi, I'll obviously have to explain what that means - you can't read or write...) If you really want to take names, join Lhankor Mhy.

Back story. I imagine that while there will be women who tend towards violence from a younger age (and men!!), I generally presume there's a reason people turn to the more martial pursuits. In this case, she may have been a daughter to a forester, or even just a farmer, and was used to using an axe from childhood. (Of all the weapons available, the sword really is the only purely martial one out there, with really only one use - killing something in combat. Most (all) other weapons are based on tools (a spear being a hunting tool))

I did see that. I didn't *presume* it was 100% commissioned. (This is because I've seen descriptions in official books which don't always match the picture... Ie, details missing, hard to see, or descriptions of colour on B&W images)

Perhaps, to aid the OP (and maybe ourselves), we should ask some really basic questions about nature, and see what we get? (Perhaps we need a document "what my parents taught me"?) E.g. - why are there seasons? What is darkness? (Merely the absence of light, or something else with its own existence - that can be stronger than light?) Where do.babies come from?

Bronze alloy v natural bronze (Gods bones)??? I have a question about said Vingan - was she drawn to be a representation of a Vingan? Or was a warrior woman drawing taken to be a representation of a Vingan?

You've overlooked two significant aspects of characteristic increases - firstly, when it hits threshold, it applies to ALL skills affected by the characteristic (if INT was raisable this way, everyone would go for it); and secondly said extra 5% is an extra 5% chance to increase each of those affected skills. Well and truly worth the time and effort of grinding through 3 wasted points... At RL level, it sort of becomes irrelevant,.since you can DI your way up. But then, what's to stop an RL from upskilling the same way? What do we think a DI is worth in skill %?? (At best, a characteristic increase can give 5%... But that stat raises multiple skills , so it's going to be hard to place a value on an individual skill!!)

????? 😕

"Blue is the new Red"

There are other reasons to use it ???