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  1. Something I just noticed--in the illustration for Zarlen's First Wander, his pursuer (who I think is either Gagarth or his father Vadrus) has dogs. Atypical for a Ram god, but then again, Orlanthi don't tend to like Gagarth anyway, and Vadrus (and his dog-keeping ways if he has them) won't outlast the darkness ahead... https://sixages.fandom.com/wiki/File:ZarlensWander.png
  2. I don't think Osara's mother is Ekarna--probably not Nyalda either, given the timing, but it may not be a good idea to apply timeline logic to gods. Maybe Nivorah, Elmal's first wife and the mother of Reladivus?
  3. I got some new information re: the downfall of Nameforgot! One of my advisors said, "Nameforgot decided that ravens were not to be trusted, and gave orders to slay them on sight. That is when he lost his name, and then everything else." So it sounds to me like he managed to antagonize Raven. This event is pretty interesting in general: https://sixages.fandom.com/wiki/Raven's_Cruel_Justice (Also, I just got it today after playing for a year and a half. Still new things to be found...) In this case, the clan in question had just exiled their Raven shaman. I wonder if doing that yourself has similar repercussions for your clan? (I think that's an option in some circumstances; not positive, though.) It looks like non-Rider clans can anger Raven in different ways, though.
  4. Given that Dark Troll offspring are so prized, I have to wonder if some troll mothers fudge things a little when it comes to twins. "Twins? Oh no, my sister and I just had our (clearly uzko, and I will eat you if you say otherwise) children at the same time. So lucky! Clearly Kyger Litor favors our family."
  5. The lack of children/descendants of the high-status women is odd and potentially interesting--if these were the wives of the high-status men, you'd expect at least some of them to have sons (surely those sets of rich brothers had mothers?), or even daughters who died young. As the article points out, that could just be a sampling issue--they tested about a hundred people over a long period of time, maybe by sheer chance they missed these women's kids, or only tested childless women--but still. Another article on the same study: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/10/why-are-adult-daughters-missing-ancient-german-cemeteries It's really kind of exciting to me that they can tell which people moved around during their lives--not just the outsider women but the three guys who left the area as teenagers and came back as adults. That's impressive!
  6. Unrelated to Vingkot and his descendants, but looking at the Scouring Wind spirit (description: "Helps fight Chaos"), I have to wonder if it's related to Urox somehow... Can you get god-related spirits? (This is one of the points where my Glorantha knowledge gets extremely vague.)
  7. If we're counting Narva, Gamari and Hyalor also teamed up to make kumis!
  8. True. Not that Redalda is by any means average! OTOH, the Riders all consider themselves descendants of Hyalor, and your clan all consider themselves as descendants of Basikan (and maybe also Zenangar), which is probably just as mathematically dubious. I get the impression that these things are mythologically true and therefore literally true, because we're still in the era where myth can overwrite history. The fact that it's improbable is beside the point. (Or alternately, it's mythologically probable that a Vingkotling hero is related to Vingkot.)
  9. They call themselves Vingkotlings! (Occasionally also Kestaytelli, and Cistaruli in the debug files. No idea where those names come from, although both are used to distinguish the local Rams from the Infithtelli to the southwest, so I tend to assume they're a subgroup (or two different ones?) of Vingkotlings. ) Is there another Orlanthi group that might've been in this area? Re: Durev, maybe he's a minor god at this point and becomes more important during the Great Darkness, as others die? I can see him gaining worshippers after Barntar's temporary-as-it-turned-out death, for example. (Wild speculation, of course.) Or maybe this particular clan is the only Dureving-descended one in the area, and the only one that considers Durev/Duref important...
  10. Another interesting bit of news-of-your-neighbors: Duref has got to be Durev, the Great Carl: https://glorantha.fandom.com/wiki/Durev
  11. Pella and Venurtera are both goddesses of pottery; Pella's husband Pananala (god of the kiln fire) might also count. Venurtera is another of Lodril's children. Six Ages has Tepekos, god of redsmiths, and Perondeto, god of glassmaking. Also Nocheli, goddess of the red dye insect (cochineal?), who is at least craft-adjacent.
  12. Yay! I have been playing the IOS version obsessively this last year. I'm so happy that more people will get a chance to play this game, and dearly hope that a few of them will want to talk about it.
  13. One interesting thing: in the Gods War art, gods almost always have swirls on their clothing (or skin or mane/tail, if they aren't human). Even Cenala, when she shows up in person, has this going on. There are two exceptions. One is Hyalor, who started out as a man; he never gets any swirls. Granted, that could be because all of his myths/rituals take place before his human "death". But the other is Samnal. Which is interesting, because no one ever suggests that Samnal isn't a god, even the Riders. (They just think of him as a jerk god that they don't worship--but plenty of jerk gods we don't worship appear, and Maran Gor/Storm Bull/Yonesh/Shargash/etc all have the swirls.) But the art places him on an equal level with Hyalor, and it does so by depicting them both as mortals. Which does make me wonder if he was another human hero, who came to be worshipped, and the Wheels just think that that was okay because he was publicly known to be descended from a god... (Also worth a mention: Verlaro, the god who lost his divine status. The one picture of him has his clothing entirely hidden by snow... An interesting touch, given that Osara and Yonesh in the same image both have swirls, and Yonesh's worshiper Stakar does not.
  14. Well, there's the Three New Stars quest bringing back three dead gods. That could be a way to bring the cults of Osara and Zarlen, and maybe some Hyaloring ways along with them... Or Cenala. I can see her finding a niche as a goddess of survival through and regeneration after disaster, and with the Hero Wars coming up, I can see people being drawn to that sort of cult. (It's possible other Nivorah descendants kept a version of the cult of Osara-the-daughter, but that version of her would lack most of what distinguishes her in Six Ages... although who's to say that someone couldn't rediscover her other aspect in a time of great stress and trouble?) I think he meant that there might be other Yanadlings around who worship other gods than Raccoon, and those died out. Yeah, that's what I meant! In Ride Like The Wind, there's Retva's Raven-focused group, and you can also find others who seem to focus on bear or tree spirits, as well as one whose leader wears a headdress striped like a bee. If there's a connection to the Tunoralings, it could be that their ancestors were raccoon-Yanadlings. Or some of them, anyway.
  15. Another possibility would be that the Raccoon Yanadlings were the ones who survived to the Dawn. Things are going to get really bad in a while... Apparently the spirit Raven pops up even in modern Glorantha: https://glorantha.fandom.com/wiki/Raven Which is nice; I know fundamentally Raven and Eurmal are the same being, but I really love Raven. In related news, I fully expect Osara and Zarlen to die during the Great Darkness and their cults to be subsumed into Vinga/Elmal/maybe Redalda, and I'm already in mourning. Those two really grew on me! Along with Raven, they've become my favorites. I love how the advisors' little comments about gods and such imply this whole mythology. "Zarlen nearly died in the land of frost. Osara warmed his bones on the sunpath, restoring him to life." I want to know more about that story! I also found a reference to "Stelfor's extirpation of the North Clan", which suggests that he's what happened to Nameforgot rather than a chaos monster. No wonder no one likes Stelfor very much...
  16. Most of these are actually PlaceThere (some of the exploration events are in pairs with random events at home, like JordWarriorHere and JordWarriorThere for the burnt hero). First Yanadling encounter: Tunoraling. The Tunoralings apparently live in Vanch and worship a Raccoon God. There are other Yanadling groups besides Retva's, but I don't know if any of them are raccoon-focused. https://glorantha.fandom.com/wiki/Vanch#Culture Abandoned Temple: Cafol. https://glorantha.fandom.com/wiki/Cafol Abandoned Village: Little Cafol. https://glorantha.fandom.com/wiki/Little_Cafol Great lake: Elf Sea. (Which ended up being the name on the wiki too; it's actually just marked Inland Sea on the map.) https://glorantha.fandom.com/wiki/Elf_Sea Giant bear: Bear Mountain. https://glorantha.fandom.com/wiki/Bear_Mountain Great Wolf: Dog Hills. (This area has the same name in Six Ages as it will later on.) https://glorantha.fandom.com/wiki/Dog_Hills Northern Wheels: Garsting. (Which is similar to Gar-Astin.) https://glorantha.fandom.com/wiki/Garsting Lake Imaress: Invaress https://glorantha.fandom.com/wiki/Lake_Invaress Omaseg: Sylila https://glorantha.fandom.com/wiki/Sylila Zarlen: Look Hill Ugarra: Bostok Wolf people: The debug file calls them Telmori, but if you get them to talk they say they're the Eroe and worship a spirit named Eroeissa. And while the Blue Goat encounter is just named ErgeshitesThere, there's an associated variable foundZarkosites. Nothing terribly surprising, but still. (Oh, and just because I kept convincing myself that the central peak of the Imther Mountains was secretly Mount Kero Fin: It is not. It just has a similar shape and is also sacred to Orlanth.)
  17. I made it back to the Hippogriff & Yamsur vs. sand monster god event! https://sixages.fandom.com/wiki/Obsidian_Plain Helping Hippogriff makes a lot more sense theologically speaking (though maybe there's extra stuff if you know that Yamsur is Hyalor's father--still haven't checked that out). But Yamsur's version is fun: (The debug code indicates that the event does something different for Beren and Yatakan, though that might just be to make sure it doesn't overwrite a plot-relevant personality trait.) Also in debugs: A bunch of the exploration events are named for the modern name of the location they take place in. If anyone's curious about that information I can dig it up--I haven't been putting it on the wiki because those names are pretty unintuitive for someone who isn't familiar with the setting outside of Six Ages and KODP (which would be me), but maybe it'd be useful for speculation?
  18. Bahoka does have an (evil) constellation and fight gods a lot! That's probably what's going on. (Alternately, if human heroes can become humans' gods, maybe powerful scorpion queens can become Chaos goddesses...)
  19. Uldak does have a lot of drought imagery! There's also "I am parched, and must drink the life of a human to revive myself." (Emphasis mine.) (Uldak does seem to be different from both Yatelo and Daga--he's got chaos associations that I don't think either of them do. Plus being associated with the earth instead of sky.)
  20. IIRC there's a bit about the west clans taking slaves, but "we as descendants of Zenangar do not". If Stelfor's descendants are the only slaving clans, then the descendants of all three are pretty intermingled even now. Isn't Daga the god of drought, though? I remembered Daga as the god of drought also, but this link says he's both: https://www.glorantha.com/docs/daga/ Drought does tend to cause famine, so I can see how they'd share a god.
  21. Stelfor and Zenangar get mentioned a lot together, to compare/contrast two ways of dealing with a problem. But we hardly ever find out what Basikan's strategy was. I'd say it was to try to avoid endorsing either... but the advisors pretty strongly prefer Zenangar, so.
  22. Yeah, there's surprisingly little about Basikan. And at one point one of your leaders claims to be descended from Zenangar. (Mind, by definition one has more than one ancestor, and Basikan and Zenangar's families could've intermarried. But it's still weird.) Nameforgot's role in advice is to be a bad example (like Bad King Urgrain!) so it's not surprising that there's a lot about him. Re: storm gods fighting over their grandfather's bones: Umath's grandchildren could also include, say, Vinga and Valind.
  23. There's also Yatelo, whose claim to sunhood seems to be being a real pain and not obviously a member of another pantheon...
  24. So that's who those guys are! I think I was confusing them with the evil hand magician in King of Dragon Pass. (This guy: https://kingofdragonpass.fandom.com/wiki/Harming_Hand) Congratulations on the theory!
  25. "Within ten generations" could mean ten generations or less, or it could mean ten named Rider generations (but some of the kings/kings' sons had children late). There's also a line about Beren and Redalda living "longer than most", which could mean the upper end of normal or... more than that. After all, Redalda at least gets worshipped as a goddess later on... And there's the precedent of Hyalor. Earthquake fathers could also just mean "male gods that cause earthquakes"--it might be what the Riders call them, rather than what they call themselves. Re: Bird Riders, at one point I think they're mentioned as coming from or controlling the city of Verapur, which the Glorantha wiki tells me is a mythical Rinliddi city. The whole "oops, we took sides in a fight over whose sheep are better" exchange is funny. They just barely understood that the poem was about now nice the sheep's color was! (They do speak a different language, and poems tend to be harder to translate...) I'm not sure if I've linked them before, but I've been trying to fill in the legendary figures' pages on the wiki with quotes. e.g https://sixages.fandom.com/wiki/Zenangar
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