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  1. M Helsdon


    Kaxtor is a fairly localised hero-god who seems to have had avatars throughout history. Information on him is hard to find. Perhaps his Runes would be Law, Harmony, and perhaps Man?
  2. Ok… here we go. This is my scratchpad on Kaxtorplose. The City that Does Not Fall. As is My Way, the first post in this thread will most be lit review, identifying what we know from various canonical and canonically-adjacent sources on Glorantha. A second post will be a few mild interpretations. EDIT: Oh, I forgot to answer a question: WHY DO I CARE? My answer is simple: Kaxtor is a demigod who resisted Palangio and the Bright Empire for 3 solid years before Arkat shows up, but who disappeared without a trace. Meanwhile, his temple-city has survived with continuous occupation for about 1,200 years. In that time, not only did it survive the Iron Vrok, but it also survived the Lopers, getting absorbed by the Middle Sea Empire, the sinking of the Middle Sea Empire, and the opening. It is a glorious enigma. Also, here are some abbreviations: BoG: Blood over Gold GtG: Guide to Glorantha HotHP: History of the Heortling People MSE: The Middle Sea Empire So what is known about Kaxtorplose in the Third Age? Kaxtorplose is a small city organized around a temple to Kaxtor, a hero worshipped here since the 1st Age (GtG: 361). The Kaxtori view him as “an avatar of the original and supreme God beyond the world of illusion” (GtG: 361), and it is a pilgrimage site for Malkioni. It also has maintains an ancient library, with texts going back at least to the Flood, if not earlier (MSE: 44). Its identity focuses in part of being the rightful seat of whatever remains of the Church of Slontos (BoG: 121). However it is also relatively isolationist, with most of its trade ties coming through Handra (BoG: 119). What is known about Kaxtorplose in the Second Age? Almost nothing, other than it was part of Slontos, and its temple to Kaxtor remained (GtG: 351). It managed to survive the flooding of Slontos, something no other city outside of Ramalia did (with the possible exception of Bemelor, as Jubal is in the same location). What is known of Kaxtorplose and its founding hero in the First Age? Fodalor & Herolal Once upon a time, there was a kingdom called Herolal. Herolal rose from the ashes of the Herlaning kingdoms created by the Theyalan Vathmai who came to Maniria. Despite Herolal being Entruli, it remained in contact with Dragon Pass. By 200 ST, it was the dominant polity in Maniria (GtG: 352). All was not well in Herolal, however. In 315, its greatest champion, Fodalor, was sent into exile after a feud with the Herolali King. By 320, Dragon Pass no longer had communication with Herolal. The Birth & Life of Kaxtor There is little canonical detail on Kaxtor. We know he is the son of Fodalor and Esrola. Esrola, as many know, is the Goddess of Good Earth, and she has many protector-husbands. They include Heler, Elmal, Argan Argar, and Faralinthor. (SKoH: 153, GtG: 687) Fodalor, on the other hand, was the great champion of the First Age city of Herolal. We know that there was a Temple of Kaxtor that existed by 429, and that it was roughly 40 miles west of Herolal. Finally, as mentioned above, at some point, Kaxtor came to be viewed as an avatar of the Invisible God. I will be getting to my thoughts on Kaxtor in a few posts. Palangio Conquers the Entruli In 370, the Entruli Fodluth, son of Arigor became king of Herolal. (HotHP: 79). It is implied that he was a capable ruler, but his reign was hardly peaceful. In 378, a plague came to Maniria (HotHP: 97). As with Ralios, Nysaloran missionaries soon came after the plague with promises of a cure. In 387, Pro-Nysloran forces create a rebellion on the Wenelian Peninsula against Herolal. In 401, the Bright Empire conquers Slontos under command of Palangio the Iron Vrok (GtG 352). In 408, the territory controlled by Herolal, is consquered by “Krjalki” who came down the Tigrionor River (HotHP: 97). King Fodluth is killed. [I am aware these dates are a mess, and that the Guide's dates take priority.] It does not appear Maniria was completely pacified, however. In 411, Iridwin the Diver leads a revolt against the Bright Empire, wielding items of power he brought back from Erenplose (HotHP: 97). Palangio returns to the region in 413 with an army of Krjalki. By 417, the entire region has been re-pacified, and Iridwin is killed by Palangio. Kaxtorplose, Palangio, & Arkat In 429, another rebellion begins, this time in Lukae (HotHP: 98). The rebels quickly flee Lukae to the North, taking refuge in the Temple of Kaxtorplose. Palangio and an army of Krjalki lay siege to Kaxtorplose (HotHP: 98, GtG: 352). Kaxtorplose survives the siege for three long years. In 431, Arkat (now an Orlanthi) lands in western Slontos. In the Battle of Sardrandos, he defeats all of western Slontos, and in the battle of Stenentos, Slontans kill each other (HotHP: 35). This all comes to a head in 432, at the Battle of Kaxtorplose. Arkat defeated Palangio and liberated Kaxtorplose, with the help of Hendrik who made a Great Leap. (HotHP: 35) That is, as far as I can tell, the full literature on Kaxtor and Kaxtorplose. If I missed something or misrepresented something, as always: please let me know Next post: some basic interpretations
  3. Because of when I got into Glorantha, Maniria was "my" setting, even more than Sartar or anywhere else, thanks to Blood Over Gold right after I got into things. I recently got back into Glorantha, bought a PDF of the Guide, and loved it immensely. I have several of questions about Maniria as it stands now. Most are questions about what is canon or what is in print about a particular issue, though there are a few questions that amount to me asking "exactly how idiosyncratic is my Glorantha?" I am of course aware the answer "It's a certain way if you want it to be" is always an option, but I believe firmly in the value of structure as a source of creativity, and I like to know what's been written, and what's the current version of things. Thanks! And now, the long list of questions: I: Orlanthi My first set of questions is about the Orlanthi culture of Maniria. Is there a culturally relevant umbrella term for the Ditali, Solanthi, Nimistori, and Maldros? Manirian? Wenelian? Second, how different are they from Heortling / Sartarite Orlanthi in terms of religion? A straight question here is what is the current state of Entru? Is he affiliated with animals in general now, or specifically pigs/boars? Did he have priests or spirit talkers? As a piece of speculation, what is the possibility that Manirian heritage includes the Helerings, a tribe separate from the Vingkotlings? It has the mountain where Heler surrendered to Orlanth, and its residents ticked off the water gods enough that a beautiful city got sunk and trapped, but not destroyed. And finally, are there still Haranding clans tucked away various places, screaming "freedom!" at irregular intervals? II: Western I also have some questions about the Slontan heritage of Maniria. First, where did the Malkioni kingdoms in SW Maniria come from? I ask because overland routes at that time were blocked by elven forests. I also doubt that they came with Arkat who had already become an Orlanthi before liberating Maniria. Were they colonists from Sheshnela or somewhere else? Any info on why they came? Second, there are polities that are remnants of Slontos: Kaxtorplose, Ramalia, Handra partially, and I'm guessing Khorst. How similar do people think religion is in those places? Are the Slontans of Handra worshipping the same way as the people in Kaxtorplose? Is Ramalia just an "evil and proud of it" version of Slonton style Malkioni? Regarding Handra, I'm just curious what's been published and/or is canon. I own the Tradetalk issue, but I feel a large overhaul of that info is necessary after the GTG. I'm assuming, however, that the religion is an idiosyncratic form of henotheism, and the governmental structure is still some sort of council of guilds and temples. And that brings up my last question: Kaxtorplose survives thanks to pilgrims. Who are these pilgrims and where are they from? III: Geography I have 2 geography questions about Manira, and they both involve the Mislari Mountains. First: what is Ramor Mountain? I ask because it has an illumination rune on the map, and as far as I can tell, it isn't mentioned ANYWHERE. Anybody have info? And Second: other than trolls who want to eat elves, why would anyone want to find the one lost pass through the Mislari Mountains? IV: Hero wars My questions regarding the hero wars in Maniria revolve most around the reforestation plans by the elves, since I didn't know anything about this before I read the GTG. As I look at the map of Maniria, it looks pretty forested overall. But I know there's more here than just planting trees. Am I correct in thinking this is about covering the entire region in dense, (magically created) old growth forest that is all perfectly integrated into Aldrya's song? Also, would I be correct in thinking they want to push humanity into a simple existence that would make them less destructive (hunter-gatherer lifestyle with minimal agriculture or industry, etc.)? V: The Loper People My last set of questions are about the Loper People , aka the Zaranistangi. Was their magic rune or spirit based? What does a loper beast look like? And third, are the blue moon worshipping fisherman leftovers from the Lopers?
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