RichardA 3 Report post Posted November 19 On p.8 of The Book of Feasts, it states: "There are five activities to choose from: Draw Cards (unless disallowed — see below), Gossip, Indulge, Flirt, or Game." Later on that same page, it states: "Thus, characters seated Above the Salt cannot draw Feast Cards, but must choose from among Gossip, Indulge, and Flirt, whose results are more staid and predictable." Does that mean if you are seated Above the Salt, you also cannot choose the Game activity? Or was the omission of Game an error? The same page also states, "If the Feast Deck runs out of cards...then players can choose only Gossip, Indulge, and Flirt for the remainder of the feast." That also seems to omit Game as an activity, contradicting the first line about the 5 permitted activities. Is that an omission error? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ericvulgaris 5 Report post Posted November 19 I believe its an editing/omission error. I have no backing to support this other than it makes sense that you can game and wager at the high table assuming those proper knights and ladies would be interested! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morien 103 Report post Posted November 19 I expect it is an omission error too. I am sure David will chime in soon enough with an authorial answer. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atgxtg 1,041 Report post Posted November 19 9 hours ago, RichardA said: On p.8 of The Book of Feasts, it states: "There are five activities to choose from: Draw Cards (unless disallowed — see below), Gossip, Indulge, Flirt, or Game." That also seems to omit Game as an activity, contradicting the first line about the 5 permitted activities. Is that an omission error? Judging from the rest of the book, it certainly looks like it. Oh, and it might be worth pointing out that although a character above the salt cannot draw feast cards, I didn't see anything that says he or she cannot play a feast card if they wind up with one. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sirlarkins 65 Report post Posted November 26 On 11/19/2019 at 12:15 AM, Morien said: I expect it is an omission error too. I am sure David will chime in soon enough with an authorial answer. An omission for sure. The Gaming option was added later in the design process, so looks like it didn't get inserted into the text in all the spots it should have. On 11/19/2019 at 8:23 AM, Atgxtg said: Oh, and it might be worth pointing out that although a character above the salt cannot draw feast cards, I didn't see anything that says he or she cannot play a feast card if they wind up with one. I would certainly allow that interpretation. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atgxtg 1,041 Report post Posted November 26 21 minutes ago, sirlarkins said: I would certainly allow that interpretation. BTW, this came up at my last feast: How do you handle ties? Do the winners split the glory, does the feast continue for another round to determine a clear winner? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Call Me Deacon Blues 1 Report post Posted November 26 I don't remember if this is an official interpretation, or just something I did to adjudicate ties, but I went with whoever is sitting in the higher position, and then if they tie, highest App, and then if THEY tie, App roll. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sirlarkins 65 Report post Posted November 27 Yeah, I'd go in order of seating, and if that's tied I'd give it to the character with more Glory. Using APP works too, depending on your group's preference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Call Me Deacon Blues 1 Report post Posted November 27 I thought about glory, but was trying to somewhat mitigate the issue of higher glory leading to even more glory, though I know that's at least somewhat intended by the system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atgxtg 1,041 Report post Posted November 27 (edited) Hmm, maybe: Seating, APP, (modified or unmodified?) and then Glory? Edited November 27 by Atgxtg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tizun Thane 10 Report post Posted November 27 9 hours ago, Atgxtg said: Do the winners split the glory, It's my houserule Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaxBasilisk 4 Report post Posted November 27 (edited) I'll add a question of my own, as SirLarkins has stopped by and I have a feast to run Sunday: Geniality is gained when cards are drawn, not played, correct? So if a player of a 3,000 Glory PK draws two cards from the deck, the character immediately gains the Geniality from both, and then the player decides which of the two cards to play (absent any requirements on those cards that supersede that choice)? I'll add that the feast system is quite fun and has added quite a bit of character building to the game. Edited November 27 by SaxBasilisk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tizun Thane 10 Report post Posted November 28 13 hours ago, SaxBasilisk said: Geniality is gained when cards are drawn, not played, correct? It is written that way, but in my game, only played cards gave geniality bonus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atgxtg 1,041 Report post Posted Saturday at 04:11 AM On 11/28/2019 at 7:50 AM, Tizun Thane said: It is written that way, but in my game, only played cards gave geniality bonus. I think that was how it was meant to work, otherwise high glory PKs could just ddraw a bunch of cards and play the safest card and still out glory the other characters. So I've always took it to mean the glory is gained as the cards are played. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaxBasilisk 4 Report post Posted Saturday at 04:30 AM 13 minutes ago, Atgxtg said: I think that was how it was meant to work, otherwise high glory PKs could just ddraw a bunch of cards and play the safest card and still out glory the other characters. So I've always took it to mean the glory is gained as the cards are played. The other effect that "Geniality gained from cardson play" provides is that a player drawing multiple cards gets interesting choices. If one card is worth more Geniality, but the other gives another benefit, which one should the player choose? What I'm hearing is that I understand the rules as written - but also that"Geniality from cards played, not drawn" is a more satisfying interpretation for people. I may implement the latter, then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atgxtg 1,041 Report post Posted Saturday at 05:07 PM 12 hours ago, SaxBasilisk said: The other effect that "Geniality gained from cardson play" provides is that a player drawing multiple cards gets interesting choices. If one card is worth more Geniality, but the other gives another benefit, which one should the player choose? Yes, it if is from cards drawn then it sort of makes playing cards moot. A card that might net anther 2 or 3 gentility doesn't mean so much if players are getting that just from drawing cards. 12 hours ago, SaxBasilisk said: What I'm hearing is that I understand the rules as written - but also that"Geniality from cards played, not drawn" is a more satisfying interpretation for people. I may implement the latter, then. Yes, that is how the rules are written, but I don't believe that is how they were intended to be played. No only would doing so greatly increase the geniality/glory awards, and make card play much less significant, and doing anything other than drawing cards the equivalent of throwing in the towel, but it would pretty much give the win to the character who draws the most cards, just about every time. So I just don't believe that was the intention. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sirlarkins 65 Report post Posted Tuesday at 11:20 PM Correct, Geniality is only gained when a card is played, not drawn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites