A year by any other name

[Sir_Godspeed]

1 hour ago, Tindalos said:

It was. You were there!

I must've been drunk, clearly.

Much like I am now.

[jajagappa]

4 hours ago, Eff said:

There should be 7x7 months in a Gloranthan year, for 343 days of Lunar bliss. That means we need an additional season, and another week of Sacred Time...

Maybe we get that in the 4th Age after the Red Moon has fallen and the White arises.

[scott-martin]

1 minute ago, jajagappa said:

Maybe we get that in the 4th Age after the Red Moon has fallen and the White arises.

Our best economists say there will be seven runic genders, the seas will fill with a nutritious and refreshing beverage like lemonade, every tribe will contain exactly 1600 souls (all personality types perfectly balanced) leaping out of bed three hours before dawn to pick perfect cherries, the Valind Glacier will melt, etc. I believe part of it but a lot of wild stuff comes out of Zoria these days.

[Qizilbashwoman]

28 minutes ago, scott-martin said:

Our best economists say there will be seven runic genders

don't tell anyone but i'm mischaosistic

[scott-martin]

2 minutes ago, Qizilbashwoman said:

don't tell anyone but i'm mischaosistic

Then every day's your birthday! Happy birthday, Miss Chaostic, Alternative Miss World for 1626. Out of reacts, will come back around to this and the alchemy later.

[Bill the barbarian]

2 hours ago, scott-martin said:

the Valind Glacier will melt, etc

Hey, back up there, what will melt?

[Joerg]

1 hour ago, Bill the barbarian said:

Hey, back up there, what will melt?

Some area south of you might become slightly more swampy.

[Akhôrahil]

23 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said:

This could/should be a thread entirely of its own. Given how *massively* important the menstrual cycle is in religious symbolism and gendered cultural/social practices, it's worth looking into/speculating about.

Come to think of it, given the magical and mythical powers of the calendar, you would imagine that menstruation would be synchronized and tied to it (at least within each culture)?

Edited December 16, 2019 by Akhôrahil

[Qizilbashwoman]

3 hours ago, Akhôrahil said:

Come to think of it, given the magical and mythical powers of the calendar, you would imagine that menstruation would be synchronized and tied to it (at least within each culture)?

then all women would menstruate at the same time and births would happen at the same time. it's kind of outside of the stuff we usually regulate in a game. ask a fertility priestess to help you catch,* or for a charm to prevent you knocking up every one you sleep with? sure. have all the Orlanthis menstruate on the same schedule? ugh maybe not.

 

*catch = get pregnant

Edited December 16, 2019 by Qizilbashwoman

[Eff]

1 hour ago, Qizilbashwoman said:

then all women would menstruate at the same time and births would happen at the same time. it's kind of outside of the stuff we usually regulate in a game. ask a fertility priestess to help you catch,* or for a charm to prevent you knocking up every one you sleep with? sure. have all the Orlanthis menstruate on the same schedule? ugh maybe not.

 

*catch = get pregnant

I mean, maybe Brithini do. But Brithini cycles can be measured in the centuries in any case. 

[Qizilbashwoman]

2 minutes ago, Eff said:

I mean, maybe Brithini do. But Brithini cycles can be measured in the centuries in any case. 

i mean you are absolutely correct.

i didn't count the Brithini because they aren't people by most standards of what "being people" means. I mean literally they are immortals because they're hacking the universe

Edited December 16, 2019 by Qizilbashwoman

[Eff]

2 minutes ago, Qizilbashwoman said:

i mean you are absolutely correct.

i didn't count the Brithini because they aren't people by most standards of what "being people" means. I mean literally they are immortals because they're hacking the universe

There's a great old Glorantha Digest post, I think it was, where Brithini humor is discussed. They have weekly 15-minute humor breaks, where one of the seven approved jokes are told, and then very occasionally laughed at. One of the real kneeslappers is "Why did the chicken cross the road?" 

[Akhôrahil]

5 hours ago, Qizilbashwoman said:

then all women would menstruate at the same time and births would happen at the same time.

I don't believe the latter part of this would follow - even if everyone is synchronized on a monthly basis, the combination of plenty of fertile days and somewhat differing lengths of pregnancies would even it out a lot.

[Akhôrahil]

4 hours ago, Eff said:

I mean, maybe Brithini do. But Brithini cycles can be measured in the centuries in any case. 

Man, how cool would it be if Brithini had their version of Pon Farr? 🙂

[scott-martin]

40 minutes ago, Akhôrahil said:

Man, how cool would it be if Brithini had their version of Pon Farr? 🙂

Welcome to the Hero Wars!

The menenstral cycle for those carrying that onus will begin in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . . 

[Sir_Godspeed]

48 minutes ago, Akhôrahil said:

Man, how cool would it be if Brithini had their version of Pon Farr? 🙂

Speaking of which, I wonder what the Brithini Menena do during those centuries-long stretches when there are basically no Brithini children. 

Not sure even Brithini sexism can prevent a bunch of millennia-old, possibly sorcerously powerful women from getting up to whatever they want (within the Law).

Edited December 16, 2019 by Sir_Godspeed

[Akhôrahil]

3 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said:

Not sure even Brithini sexism can prevent a bunch of millennia-old, possibly sorcerously powerful women from getting up to whatever they want (within the Law).

Presumably, the Law does indeed regulate these things.

You have to wonder whether they have magical birth control, or if they are similarly restricted when it comes to sex in the first place. The latter might explain their general attitude...

[af Granskär]

On 12/15/2019 at 5:56 PM, jajagappa said:

Maybe we get that in the 4th Age after the Red Moon has fallen and the White arises.

In the old version of King of Sartar there was a ominous warning after the last part of Argrath's Saga, considering the fall of the Moon. "But now it's invisible instead!"

This has been sinisterly omitted from the new one. But it's clear now - the triumph of the Moon is that it is freed from (even immortal) presence in the world, and in the Fourth Age, becomes incorporated directly in the fabric of Time, and thus, as barbarians rudely put it, "invisible". Hence the addition of a Moon Season to the Gloranthan year, to replace the one lost during the Sunstop. You heard it here first....  

[Oracle]

37 minutes ago, af Granskär said:

In the old version of King of Sartar there was a ominous warning after the last part of Argrath's Saga, considering the fall of the Moon. "But now it's invisible instead!"

This has been sinisterly omitted from the new one. But it's clear now - the triumph of the Moon is that it is freed from (even immortal) presence in the world, and in the Fourth Age, becomes incorporated directly in the fabric of Time, and thus, as barbarians rudely put it, "invisible". Hence the addition of a Moon Season to the Gloranthan year, to replace the one lost during the Sunstop. You heard it here first....  

This is interesting. I was convinced, that I've seen the same statement in the new version of King of Sartar, but looking into my printed version it is indeed missing ... but looking at the end of Argrath's Saga in the PDF version, it is still there:

So they say. But it’s still here!
And now it’s invisible instead!
This is what made our world today, although almost no one remembers it.
If you have read this then pass it on, and tell others about it
to make sure that you, and they, do not repeat it!

 

That means the printed and the PDF version of King of Sartar differ, which I didn't realise until now.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2019 by Oracle

[af Granskär]

There already were "northern" and "southern" versions of the saga manuscript. This could be another, or simply a scribal error... But surely, there is a conspiracy at work here.

[Oracle]

In fact there is more. At the end of the introduction to Argrath's Saga there is a section with the title Scrawls (p.12, latest version of King of Sartar), which says:

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The northern manuscript (PEC#25234) also has a crudely written scrawl at its start, and an
addition by yet a different hand at its finish. Both of those are given here, too, even though
they are not really part of any Argrath’s Saga version.

In fact, that these scrawls are given in the text is only true for the PDF version, but not for the printed version.

The second one is the one cited above already. It's at the end of p.28.

The first one is at the end of p.12 and reads:

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Listen! This is the Saga of Argrath,
Lord of the Seven Directions,
High King of the World,
who was the son of a “stickpicker.”

 

[af Granskär]

Also missing from the new version: some markings after the Sacred King list (p. 162 of the old edition and p. 132 in the new one)

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/·<Ï<

Printing error in the first one, mindless scratches made by someone hit by Illiteracy Curse, or powerful magical symbol omitted from the new version on purpose? Only reader can decide. But I find it suspicious that the "Missing Chapter" appears exactly on the spot these markings were in the first edition!