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Is Cakebread & Walton Alive, Dead, Undead or in the process of Resurrection?

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No homepage, Fracebook not up-to-date - if "nothing happens here" isn't the thing that is to-date ...

Really, any news? I'd hate to see C&W dead and buries, not only because of Renaissance and Clockwork & Chivalry but I am also quite fond of OneDice.

So, if Resurrection is the plan then I am really looking forward to the Reckoning! 😉

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Agreed, i really like their settings, especially Flintlock & Steel and would buy more in a heart beat!

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7 hours ago, soltakss said:

One member of Cakebread & Walton is recovering from a serious illness, which probably explains any silence.

Even before the medical issues, I believe they were one of those (many, I think) smaller game companies that was finding the whole a "maintain a webpage and/or social-media presences" to be a huge time-sink.  They wanted their time spent on C&W to be spent on products (writing, layout etc), not web/blog/etc stuff...

Hopefully, they'll begin ramping back up, in time...  And maybe will comment on this thread... 🙂

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Yes, that is what I was hoping for - some kind of "hanging in there, still need some time" kinda message.

I don't care too much about the webpage and don't care at all about this social-media mania of "And now I am about to type in a new paragraph for my newest adven .. upps .. telephone"-up-to-dateterinism.

Quality needs time. But I was really hoping to see the last part of the Clockwork & Chivalry campaign in print.

And I totally agree with the Flintlock series! Great stuff! Especially the two adventures about the French-and-Indian-War. But I also like the "Iirish reavers"-adventures. Both would make great setting/ campaigns for Renaissance.

And it is also too bad that the third and the fourth part of "A Clockwork in Orange" seems doubtful to see printing. I helped a little with research for the second part and some translations. A shame really.

But the thing about the illness is news to me. I thought one had left the company because of retirement or too much of a workload (doing this besides the regular job). Hope he is getting better.

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1 hour ago, Der Rote Baron said:

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But the thing about the illness is news to me. I thought one had left the company because of retirement or too much of a workload (doing this besides the regular job). Hope he is getting better.

No, he was "on leave" or something, for medical need.

His partner (and I'm forced to confess I don't know which is Cakebread or Walton) is simply unable to do the work of two.

Plus, I suspect, each brought their own strengths (and weaknesses) to the partnership; depending on the task, a solid day's work from one might take a week or more from th'other... and vice versa for a different task.  (all time estimates pulled strictly from my own hat, without reference to anything real)  So while I /think/ (& hope) that products are still progressing... it is /certainly/ progressing  v-e-r-r-r-y---s-l-o-w-l-y .

I too hope the one gent who's been unwell is getting better!!!

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Hi Folks,

It's the Peter Cakebread half of Cakebread & Walton. Thanks for all the lovely words I can't really express how much the support and encouragement means to me, I'm passionate about our games and know that you all are too!

Long story short, C&W is still on hiatus, although our stuff is still available. Whether I'll be able to resurrect the company and get back to publishing new material is very uncertain. I really want to find a way to move forward, but, as some of you have guessed already, things are not that simple.

Long story, long...

The really good news is that Ken is in remission from cancer and all seems clear so far. He is still suffering from diabetes and sarcoidosis. Unfortunately the sarcoidosis is of the severe and debilitating kind. So Ken retired from the company in 2015, although he still helps me by sending files and things (more on that in a bit!). He knows if he ever is up to it, there is Ken shaped hole ready and waiting for him to fill.

Before Ken officially left, he had been getting increasingly unwell for quite some time.

As a little insight into how we worked, Ken and I would regularly meet to bounce ideas off of each other, then structure our books and decide who was writing what. Then for the duration of a project, we'd gee ourselves up over the phone and via email, batting ideas off each other, re-writing, going "wow" at each other's extra ideas for a project, reviewing the evolving final book layout, etc.

We probably worked more than standard f/t on the company, as do most business owners - although our reasons were more to do with being consumed with our flights of fancy than having any real business acumen or spending time doing the sorts of things that people who want to be really financially successful do. In fact, those important but boring things were pretty much anathema to us - we just wanted to make stuff up that we found cool.

Anyhow, I'm a Luddite. I got to 40 and suddenly lost all tech ability to use anything other than rudimentary word processing software - oh, how the mighty had fallen, I used to be the go to person to sort out people struggling with their Amiga's and could layout an agitprop fanzine in Quark Xpress in a heartbeat... Anyhoo, Ken hadn't been hit by the same stupid stick, so he did all the technical things - layout, print uploads, dealing with publishers and download platforms, our website, etc. While I got on with doing the lion's share of the writing for most of the books and the art haggling. We still had lots of input into each other's spheres (Ken would tell me if I wrote something that didn't work and I'd tell him when something didn't look right - well, obviously it was a lot more complex than that, but you get the idea).

Even at the point we were working on Dark Streets, Ken was already contributing less to the writing side of things. After the Pirates & Dragons Corebook, it became clear that he wasn't really able to work on anything other than layout. At this stage, neither of us knew how seriously ill Ken was, although he was obviously physically exhausted and mentally frazzled. He was seeking help and we hoped things might get back on track. But he felt increasingly worse and couldn't get the layout and print liaison side of things done either. When Ken finally had his cancer diagnosis, he had already retired due to ill health.

I kept the company producing for a while, and Gary Buckland (who has done quite a lot of our covers and some of our interior art) helped out with the layout of the final few books. He put in great work, but was busy with other things and the finances weren't healthy enough to bring him on board for as much time as was needed.  It became increasingly less fun - I think Ken and I had a working style that fitted very neatly. I could still edit and release other people's work (such as OneDice), and write my own solo efforts, but once Gary got a full time job, I couldn't even do that. And I missed the regular contact with Ken to go "Squeee" about how things were progressing.

So, for the last three or so years, things have drifted terribly. I still want to take things forward, but I want to do it at the right time and in the right way. Whether that will be possible is unclear. Frustratingly, I have about a dozen projects in various stages of writing, and already have the art for three books which have not been completed. I still love the hobby (and still game a lot), still want to write for it and have plenty of mojo for writing. The reality is that it is not a lucrative job. I don't really mind that, I can live quite happily on half a wage, but I can't afford to buy in the expertise necessary. Also, I like working cooperatively - it's hard to get the mojo - we went into business because we could support each other and because we loved each other's ideas, buying that in is not impossible, but somehow the balance isn't the same.

Where I go from here is genuinely unclear. I'm unlikely to ever be bothered to skill up on Indesign. I also don't really want to plough on alone. I am bursting with ideas and still have the discipline to write, so things aren't necessarily finished for good. It's possible that the same synchronicity that bought Ken and myself together, or Gary into the tribe, or all the other wonderful writing and art contributors, will throw something up. Or, I might get over myself and just take up the keyboard again and finish off the outstanding projects and buy in the tech side. Nothing might happen. Who knows? At the moment, I'm putting new releases on hold and keeping our stuff out there - trying to decide what to do and not putting pressure on myself to do a half-assed job. I only work part-time, so I'm not time poor and could go back to C&W full-time.

I hope you don't mind me massively oversharing. I'm happy to answer any questions, and, if there is any new news, I'll let people know straightaway.

Once again, if you've got this far, thank you all. So, perhaps more undead than dead or alive, but more lich than zombie.

 



 

 

 

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Thanks, Peter, for sharing the situation with us fans in such a straight-forward and honest to God-fashion. It is really appreciated!

(I just speak on behalf of everybody here - and whoever objects to that can see me on the field of honour, 5.30 in the morning, your choice of weapons!)

Please realted our (see above!) best wishes to Ken and we all hope that he will be all right or better really soon.

Speaking about being a Luddite - I can alsolutely realte to that. Only difference is that I have never been very tech-savy. Anyhow, I really hope that you will find another person (until Ken gets better) who can fill in OR that by some miraculous spider-bite you get them tech-superpowers back!  😉

Cheers!

All the Fans!

P.S.: My seconds are ready to take down your names now, gentlemen ... and there is a solicitor on stand-by if you want to write down your last wish. You are adviced to do so - I'm a killer.

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5 hours ago, Der Rote Baron said:

Thanks, Peter, for sharing the situation with us fans in such a straight-forward and honest to God-fashion. It is really appreciated!

(I just speak on behalf of everybody here - and whoever objects to that can see me on the field of honour, 5.30 in the morning, your choice of weapons!)

Please realted our (see above!) best wishes to Ken and we all hope that he will be all right or better really soon.

Speaking about being a Luddite - I can alsolutely realte to that. Only difference is that I have never been very tech-savy. Anyhow, I really hope that you will find another person (until Ken gets better) who can fill in OR that by some miraculous spider-bite you get them tech-superpowers back!  😉

Cheers!

All the Fans!

P.S.: My seconds are ready to take down your names now, gentlemen ... and there is a solicitor on stand-by if you want to write down your last wish. You are adviced to do so - I'm a killer.

If you want a duel so badly, you shoud really come up with something more controversial.

Besides that, +1 to everything you're saying!

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On 4/20/2020 at 6:38 PM, doomedpc said:

we'd gee ourselves up over the phone

I read this as "ghee" and imagined people slathering themselves in clarified butter before talking on the phone. But that was a wonderfully personal and heartfelt response, and I think I'm probably better for having read it.  I wish you good fortune and good health in your coming endeavours.

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8 hours ago, tobarstep said:

I read this as "ghee" and imagined people slathering themselves in clarified butter before talking on the phone.

Wait, doesn't everyone do that? 😳

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I wonder if a company like Modiphius could help out they seem to be always on the lookout for cool new settings and Rita and Chris Birch seem pretty enthusiastic about the hobby.

Very glad to hear that Mr. Walton is on the mend and long may that continue and even if nothing comes from the desks of Cakebread and Walton again I would like to thank them for the awesome inspiration and gaming goodness that their products have brought me, now I have to leave as I believe that the arch fiend Cromwell is doing something unholy with clockwork and something called a balloon or was it a Walloon? never mind he will be stopped again, Long live the King!

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All we loyal Roundheads know: That Vile Traitor to Parliament of the Good Folks of England, that Ally of the Bishop of Rome who is the Representative of the Devil Himself, that Fodder for the Abyss who entertains witches and warlocks in his camp has not long to live!

Defend the True Faith!

All Hail to Parliament!

All hail to the Republic!

All hail to the Lord Protector!

For England!

And if you think that this Rhinish Pfalzgraf of the Palatine will give you an edge - think again! Soon Rote Kampfflieger from our Protestant allies in Germany will straf your witches with tri-planes from the sky like Cherubins from Heaven itself!

Triplanes - that are flying machines! "Ballons" - improve your intelligence, you Papists!

God help us - we will send you all to hell!

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13 minutes ago, Der Rote Baron said:

That Vile Traitor to Parliament of the Good Folks of England, that Ally of the Bishop of Rome who is the Representative of the Devil Himself, that Fodder for the Abyss who entertains witches and warlocks in his camp has not long to live!

Oi! Who are you calling a traitor?

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You if you a follower of that excuse for a King! Hah! See you on the field of honour - you see me in my triplane coming down on you from the sky! 😉

Let the Lord be witness which powers is more potent: Papism and Magickal Trickery OR True Faith and Machinery!

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Clockwork Triplanes! see the truth behind these so called Godly they start using the cursed clockwork and little by little they end up looking like this! Dressed openly in the red of the great evil and changing the Lords holy design of humanity, replacing holy flesh with ungodly metal, and I won't even mention where the winding key goes!!!

 

 

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Yeah right about now (not that there's ever a good time) is the time that cancer would need to be dealt with. A friend is having surgery this weekend and she'll be on lockdown at our place to recover for a time. Best wishes and loving kindness to Ken and his family. And whatever and however things go with the company do know that you made amazing things together that will continue to be amazing even if they languish. I imagine some greasy 13-yr old finding an out of print version or orphaned pdf of Renaissance and being launched into whatever OSR will be to the kids in 20 years. Your contribution was and is appreciated. 

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We all hope Ken continues to recover. We also hope someday we will see more from Cakebread & Walton. 

The Sanity rules from Clockwork & Chivalry / Dark Streets are still some of the best out there!

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Hi Peter,

Sorry to here about Ken and that the company is on hiatus.

I’d like to say I’ve very much enjoyed running Dark Street. I’ve been weaving mine, yours and Trial of Cthulhu scenarios into a campaign. We are about to do the Case of the Missing Professor, I’m sorry that we won’t be able to do the rest of the ‘Toad’ campaign.

thanks Paul 

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Thanks for the update Peter. I remember meeting you at Dragonmeet Kensington town hall (not sure which year - edit - think it was 2011 as I think we spoke again at continuumIn 2012 but could be wrong about that one) , having a great chat and then buying C&C. Haven’t looked back, bought pretty much everything and had loads of fun playing and running. 
Wishing you all the best. 
would love it if you could just “trickle out” the odd adventure for C&C/DS etc. 
best 

Jeff 

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