Why don't Hunters get the Devise skill?

[Tindalos]

30 minutes ago, soltakss said:

So, Waha does teach Initiates of Foundchild the Peaceful cut skill.

Also initiates of Eiritha similarly.

But the herders who follow Orlanth, Yelm, or Yinkin have the skill without any connection to Waha's cult.

[Brootse]

4 hours ago, Tindalos said:

Also initiates of Eiritha similarly.

But the herders who follow Orlanth, Yelm, or Yinkin have the skill without any connection to Waha's cult.

Iirc, Jeff posted that Waha invented cutting up animals, so everyone who does it follows in his footsteps. Except the Tusk Riders.

[Tindalos]

16 minutes ago, Brootse said:

Iirc, Jeff posted that Waha invented cutting up animals, so everyone who does it follows in his footsteps. Except the Tusk Riders.

Wow, that's... uh, quite a backstory change since Cults of Prax through to the Glorantha Sourcebook have had Waha born at the end of the Gods War, between the death of the Devil and the Dawn.

Either that or most people had no idea about herding animals until near or soon after the dawn. No wonder people adopted the Theyalan ways, those guys had meat!

[Brootse]

7 minutes ago, Tindalos said:

Wow, that's... uh, quite a backstory change since Cults of Prax through to the Glorantha Sourcebook have had Waha born at the end of the Gods War, between the death of the Devil and the Dawn.

Either that or most people had no idea about herding animals until near or soon after the dawn. No wonder people adopted the Theyalan ways, those guys had meat!

Found the post:

 

[GAZZA]

1 hour ago, Tindalos said:

Either that or most people had no idea about herding animals until near or soon after the dawn.

"Before" and "after" might be a bit nebulous before Time.

[Joerg]

9 hours ago, Brootse said:

Iirc, Jeff posted that Waha invented cutting up animals, so everyone who does it follows in his footsteps. Except the Tusk Riders.

Waha invented cutting up your own kin animals that you herded and defended against others, for survival, under the (nascent) rules of Time in the Gray Age, and had the contest of the eaters and the eaten to determine these roles. All four legged but the Morokanth won and still have the ability to live directly from Eiritha's bounty, but the two-legs of the Morokanth cheated, leaving the four-legged Morokanth as the Eaters.

 

Hunters have killed the animals since the Green Age. Entekosiad has a story how the log walkers painted the beasts they had slain for food, and how the paintings would emerge from the rock walls as revived real beasts, running away.

Killing your own totemic beasts isn't exactly new for a number of Hsunchen, either.

The "hunt yourself" bear quest is probably shared by all bear worshipers, whether Hsunchen, Orlanthi Odayla, Pelorian Arakang, Teshnan yellow bear, or wherever.

Quite a few Hsunchen with herbivore herd beasts live fairly similar to the Praxians - the Tanuki and Wildebeest people of Pamaltela, the antlered beast Hsunchen of Genertela, the Yak people of eastern Pent and the Shan Shan...

The Sofali of Maslo/Errinoru are named oophages, taking a major sustenance out of the eggs of their sea turtle kin, in return making sure that the remaining baby turtles make it safely into the sea. The ones of Fethlon appear to be fisherfolk, emulating the hunter aspect of the turtles.

 

Waha's ritual worked within the confines of Time. I am not exactly certain how that spread to the Theyalans, and what their own sacrifices were like in the Silver Age. The Waha method probably was carried across Genertela by the Lightbringers alongside with their method of theist worship and almost monotheist dedication to one deity as the main form of theist behavior. Whatever the hunters and herders and sacrificers did before, using Waha's method appears to have improved the lot for the sacrifices and the magical benefits.

I am not entirely clear how a hunter using lethal traps or losing track of a beast hit by a missile is able to perform the Peaceful Cut reliably.

[Akhôrahil]

37 minutes ago, Joerg said:

I am not entirely clear how a hunter using lethal traps or losing track of a beast hit by a missile is able to perform the Peaceful Cut reliably.

Or for that matter, how they can use it reliably when they don't receive any skill in it.

Not that there are any rules-consequences for failure...

[Joerg]

3 minutes ago, Akhôrahil said:

Or for that matter, how they can use it reliably when they don't receive any skill in it.

Not that there are any rules-consequences for failure...

Unless your Second Sight perceives all those angry animal ghosts hanging out around that hunter.

Isn't there a Stephen King book on that topic?

[Brootse]

9 minutes ago, Joerg said:

Unless your Second Sight perceives all those angry animal ghosts hanging out around that hunter.

Isn't there a Stephen King book on that topic?

I think that there have even been haunted washing machines in his corpus.

[Akhôrahil]

26 minutes ago, Brootse said:

I think that there have even been haunted washing machines in his corpus.

That’s what happens when you don’t thank them properly and respectfully for their sacrifice.

[soltakss]

8 hours ago, Joerg said:

I am not entirely clear how a hunter using lethal traps or losing track of a beast hit by a missile is able to perform the Peaceful Cut reliably.

It is partly ritual and partly butchery. If you lose track of an animal you don't need to use Peaceful Cut, as you haven't killed it. If you catch a creature in a snare then you use Peaceful Cut to send its spirit back to where it came from, so that it can be reborn and feed you again.