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Here's what will be appearing in the Cults Book: REQUIREMENTS TO BELONG Initiates of Babeester Gor have all normal requirements and restrictions and receive all the usual benefits. Initiates

And here's her Prosopaedia entry: BABEESTER GOR EARTH DEATH (BAH-bees-ter GORE) Elf and Orlanth pantheons – ­the avenging daughter and sacred guardian  When the Gods War perverted

There are too many good points to quote. For me, Babeester Gor represents the difference between a normal worshipper and a fanatic. Most Babeester Gor cultists are happy to work as Temple Gu

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14 minutes ago, d(sqrt(-1)) said:

Maybe they only take one hand and one wang from each enemy?

Mmm...I'm still seeing roughly a 6-to-20 ratio of hands to wangs.  Assuming the skirt of hands continues around the back where we can't see, let's make that 10/20.  That's still twice as many wangs as one might expect.  And presumably some of the hands might originate with women, which should skew the ratio back toward hands again.

What I'm trying to say is, that appears to be a lot of wangs and a lot of wasted hands.  My thought is, to conserve space (there's only so many hands one can fit on a skirt, depending on the length and functionality) yet still provide appropriate representation, one might simply trim the fingers and use them as accent pieces.  Thus the necklace.  Of course, with ten fingers per foe (assuming a human standard), at that point one could expand into an entire stunning ensemble to complement the skirt.

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I'm glad we can all agree on an average of one wang per slain foe, at least. Well, that would be per slain male foe, assuming no gender complications, so really, I suppose we can't agree on anything.

Though, seeing as, unless I'm mistaken, that's a depiction of Babs herself, I don't think she's necessarily beholden to a reasonable number of... implements, or foes slain. Either way, I'm not sure fashion sense is a big reason for initiation into the cult.

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6 hours ago, rykemasters said:

... Though, seeing as, unless I'm mistaken, that's a depiction of Babs herself ...

Maybe a heroine heroforming Babs via spell/etc ?

I mean... Babs, along with the other gods, doesn't actually manifest in the real world (because of the Compromise)... maybe this isn't the Real World?  Full-on heroquest/Otherworld event?

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3 hours ago, g33k said:

Maybe a heroine heroforming Babs via spell/etc ?

It's from the adventure in HQG. It's outside the House of the Dead in the underworld. This the part in the heroquest where the adventurers need to pass Babeester Gor to retrieve Hara Orane (“Beloved Orane”), a local Earth goddess. Hara Orane is pictured behind Babeester Gor, the other goddess, Ty Kora Tek is just out of picture by the goddess.

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If the heroes fail in their effort to get past Babeester Gor, the Avenging Daughter demands that the heroes must offer her a sacrifice: a male hero must give her his organ of masculinity to join her collection of grisly trophies.

I'm planning on using this adventure soon, setting it in Apple Lane.

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12 hours ago, Ian Absentia said:

Hunh.  You'd think the hands-to-wangs ratio would be higher.  You know, like, closer to 2-to-1.  As such, I'd assumed those were fingers around her neck, apologist that I am.

I was thinking that people could use fingers if they were squeamish.

If you like penis-necklaces, check out Norsemen on Netflix.

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On 9/5/2020 at 3:21 AM, Arcadiagt5 said:

I have to admit that I'm still seeing a disconnect between “Babeester Gor are raving fanatic vengeance hounds all the time” and “Babeester Gor are the standing, and permanent, guard units for all Earth temples & protectors of the Earth priestesses”. 

On 9/8/2020 at 3:13 AM, PhilHibbs said:

I can see how someone might not click just how awful BG is from the RQG entry. "Avenging daughter, sounds cool, I'll play one of those!" *Reads a bit more* "Errr... maybe this isn't for me after all..."

On 9/6/2020 at 10:49 AM, g33k said:

However, I found Jeff's entry from the Prosopedia to be far too one-sidedly bloodthirsty & berserk... I still recall (not so very long ago) when a relatively-new member of this board was driven off (dunno if they left RQ entirely, or just BRPC) by how one-sidedly bloody/berzerk the B.Gor portrayal was (his wife, IIRC, wanted to play a B.Gori, but needed some support & detail, and he came here in part to find that).

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it seems to me you're mixing up how Babs herself is pictured, and how Bab-Gorites are pictured. Babs is pictured as a raging lunatic with penises for a collar. Her cultists, however, are not described at all, either in RQG or in Jeff's posted prosopaedia. And that's good: it just says what they do, which is guard Earth temples and hunt down people that wronged these temples. It's up to the player to come up with a particular character's way to follow their cult's traditions and missions. There will be as much variety between Bab-Gorites as there will be between any other group of unique individuals. There's no need to take a two paragraph write-up to the absolute letter and consider all members of that group as all being the same (especially when said paragraphs don't even describe these people anyway).

On 9/5/2020 at 5:50 AM, Roko Joko said:

Yeah, it's a little weird.  Your job as a temple guard is to prevent anything from needing to be avenged in the first place, not wait until it happens and then act.

There will be multiple specialties within any given cult. For instance, you've got the Lankhor Mhy sages that are all about staying indoors and classifying dusty books, while others are Indiana Jones type adventurers who go look for long lost artifacts in caves full of Chaos monsters. Once upon a time this would have been handled by several sub-cults, which I find incredibly annoying, almost to the point of being offensive. Nowadays, we can just say that there's diversity in any cult, guild, or other group. So yes, some are guards, some are hitwomen, and some are whirlwinds of blood and severed penises.

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10 hours ago, lordabdul said:

Babs is pictured as a raging lunatic with penises for a collar. Her cultists, however, are not described at all, either in RQG or in Jeff's posted prosopaedia.

Fortunately we have a large body of art to look through!

Sartar companion preview: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/home/catalogue/websites/moondesign-com/jeffs-old-blogs/sartar-companion-preview/ has Theyvora the Axe by Jan Pospisil (or Sartar Companion page 253)

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An Axe Sister originally hailing from the Malani tribe ...  When Grazer thieves stole an image of the grain goddess, Theyvora tracked them across Dragon Pass and murdered them and their families.Theyvora is a legendary axe warrior, always carrying four axes equally suited for melee and for throwing. In times of war, she carries a great copper shield that she took from the Other Side...

 

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4 hours ago, David Scott said:

Theyvora the Axe by Jan Pospisil

Yeah I love that illustration... the messy hair and bare feet, the weird looking axe (what kind of axe is that by the way?), the hanging severed hands that are probably not practical at all but definitely make some impression... it really says "don't fuck with me, don't even look at me". I don't think I want to know what's that bundle of hairy stuff hooked to the axe head...

(still, my point is that this kind of maniac is just one type of Axe Maiden... players should be able to come up with other takes on it)

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4 hours ago, David Scott said:

Fortunately we have a large body of art to look through!

Sartar companion preview: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/home/catalogue/websites/moondesign-com/jeffs-old-blogs/sartar-companion-preview/ has Theyvora the Axe by Jan Pospisil (or Sartar Companion page 253)

Didn't know this one was in Sartar Companion (don't own it, unfortunately...). This illustration is also in Eleven Lights, where it figures... Babeester Gor herself!!! Welcome in a romantic heroquest....

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11 hours ago, lordabdul said:

(still, my point is that this kind of maniac is just one type of Axe Maiden... players should be able to come up with other takes on it)

Or this can be ALL axe maidens, just not all (or even most) of the time.

This look is reserved for those moments when there's an urgent need to increase the "wang to hand ratio" (thank you Ian).

Just the idea that any Axe Maiden CAN look like this if she chooses is a factor in preventing the need for that choice. And it means they get the chair they want at Lilina's.

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Babs initiate will have death rune high enough to be barren either way, and the only people interested in such monstrosities are tricksters. And its not like any cult rules will prevent tricksters.

Edit, also for me Babsists are taking on the role of archetypical women scorned, be it in cold blood or in hot rage, avenging wrongs done to you and then making sure nobody else can repeat that which created you (or die in a blaze of glory after burning down in a supernova of anger.) Pretty much a female only version of Punisher.

On another hand Vingans to me are a mother bear of sorts except that instead of protecting fanatically their children they protect your party (or clan/city/community).

A fun idea I had that I will never use because I am bound by fate to only run one-shots is a ex-sexslave brothel mistress that is devoted to Babeester Gor and is in the business to obliterate the opposition, one assasination at a time, and make sure girls are treated well.

 

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On 9/8/2020 at 4:03 PM, rykemasters said:

I'm glad we can all agree on an average of one wang per slain foe, at least. Well, that would be per slain male foe, assuming no gender complications...

My players did encounter a male Thed shaman who had acquired the Chaotic feature of additional penises. Had 4 total, of different sizes and locations. 

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