Chaos Pantheon - Guide to Glorantha Page 153

[FungusColombicus]

Simple question: are the second rune (mastery) of Ompalam incorrect should it be inverse from what is in the book ? 

[jajagappa]

5 hours ago, FungusColombicus said:

are the second rune (mastery) of Ompalam incorrect should it be inverse from what is in the book ? 

Are you asking about the order or sequence of the Runes?  If so, then I don't believe it particularly matters as those are just his Runes.

But maybe you are asking something else?

[FungusColombicus]

mastery rune should not be inverse ?

[Sir_Godspeed]

You mean upside down or something? It's a stylized crown, it's the right way up (it has nothing to do with the letter M, if that's the concern).

Sorry if I misunderstood the question, "inverse" is a bit vague, so I'm guessing here.

[g33k]

Tarot has different meanings for "reversed" or "upside-down" cards.

I *think* that I recall that at one point in Glorantha -- that some Runes that have a top/bottom could be "reversed" for another meaning.  My recollection of that was that it was a HR or other "I'm not paying any real attention to that" detail...

 

[Nick Brooke]

Sorry, that’s my fault. I made a joke about organisation charts and Slavery Runes (inverted Mastery Runes) on a RQCon panel back in the mid-nineties, and it’s still doing the rounds. There is no canonical basis for inverting Ompalam’s Mastery Rune.

[David Scott]

Overall, there's no reason why runes can't be at any angle. In books It's a limitation of fonts (unless you want to get fiddly). It's convention that we keep them the "right" way up.    and some are symmetrical so it doesn't matter. It's been long established that there are no alternative meanings for inverted runes. We now have lots of art with runes at all angles. There is a font that has along with the usual mastery run has one on its side, but it looks like an E.

[FungusColombicus]

10 hours ago, Nick Brooke said:

Sorry, that’s my fault. I made a joke about organisation charts and Slavery Runes (inverted Mastery Runes) on a RQCon panel back in the mid-nineties, and it’s still doing the rounds. There is no canonical basis for inverting Ompalam’s Mastery Rune.

Exactly my point of my question... wow... 90s... that non canon rumor surely carries some heavy weight.

Thanks for the clarification.

[scott-martin]

46 minutes ago, FungusColombicus said:

Exactly my point of my question... wow... 90s... that non canon rumor surely carries some heavy weight.

"It's always the '90s somewhere in Glorantha fandom. It's just unevenly distributed."

Your original question was very helpful to me personally in terms of figuring out how Orlanth works in the southern corner, so far from Dara Happan chauvinism and the suns northerners know. When they think of an Evil Emperor, they think of someone different. Thanks.

[FungusColombicus]

7 hours ago, David Scott said:

Overall, there's no reason why runes can't be at any angle. In books It's a limitation of fonts (unless you want to get fiddly). It's convention that we keep them the "right" way up.    and some are symmetrical so it doesn't matter. It's been long established that there are no alternative meanings for inverted runes. We now have lots of art with runes at all angles. There is a font that has along with the usual mastery run has one on its side, but it looks like an E.

I understand your point and you are correct... as with most of writing methods you can write in almost any geometric arrangement. YET, in some cases particularly with non alphabetical writing (scripts) that is not the case. Take the futhark runes as example, depending if the rune is pointing right or upside down it could mean something different.

To be perfectly honest my question was a mix of curiosity and the old rumor read somewhere.

My questions was perfectly explained by @Nick Brooke about the "non canon rumor" perfectly.
 

[soltakss]

13 hours ago, Nick Brooke said:

Sorry, that’s my fault. I made a joke about organisation charts and Slavery Runes (inverted Mastery Runes) on a RQCon panel back in the mid-nineties, and it’s still doing the rounds. There is no canonical basis for inverting Ompalam’s Mastery Rune.

Once you say something, it is canon.

 

[FungusColombicus]

1 hour ago, soltakss said:

Once you say something, it is canon.

 

if said by a serious panelist in a public environment... is like having the gods making a pronouncement... I AGREE... should be canon.

(please gods and goddesses of Glorantha don't turn me into a toadstool)

[Nick Brooke]

2 hours ago, FungusColombicus said:

if said by a serious panelist in a public environment... is like having the gods making a pronouncement... I AGREE... should be canon.

A what now?

[g33k]

40 minutes ago, Nick Brooke said:

A what now?

A serial panelist, I think he said.
It's like a serial killer, but not /quite/ as antisocial.

Edited September 11, 2020 by g33k

[FungusColombicus]

2 hours ago, Nick Brooke said:

A what now?

Exactly what I meant...

[FungusColombicus]

1 hour ago, g33k said:

A serial panelist, I think he said.
It's like a serial killer, but not /quite/ as antisocial.

serial panelist is such that in his lifetime participated in earnest in more than 3 panels. Depending on the contain of the panel it may be consider antisocial.

Quite different from what I meant.

[jajagappa]

30 minutes ago, FungusColombicus said:

serial panelist is such that in his lifetime participated in earnest in more than 3 panels.

I seem to remember him doing so! 😉  (And I suspect we can find the documentation to prove it - just another turn on Eonistaran's Wheel!)

[Sir_Godspeed]

1 hour ago, FungusColombicus said:

Exactly what I meant...

 

1 hour ago, FungusColombicus said:

serial panelist is such that in his lifetime participated in earnest in more than 3 panels. Depending on the contain of the panel it may be consider antisocial.

Quite different from what I meant.

I can't tell if these are jokes as well, but the "serial" misinterpretation was made in jest.

[FungusColombicus]

52 minutes ago, Sir_Godspeed said:

 

I can't tell if these are jokes as well, but the "serial" misinterpretation was made in jest.

I am laughing... so the "jest" part worked well !!!

[Sir_Godspeed]

Ah, just me not reading sarcasm well in text then, no worries!

[d(sqrt(-1))]

9 hours ago, g33k said:

A serial panelist, I think he said.
It's like a serial killer, but not /quite/ as antisocial.

Would be really serious if you swapped two grain goddesses and became a cereal killer.

[FungusColombicus]

12 hours ago, d(sqrt(-1)) said:

Would be really serious if you swapped two grain goddesses and became a cereal killer.

It boils down to kill: Esra, Pelora, Suchara and Usara or any two of those four to be considered a Cereal Killer...

Right ?

[Brian McReynolds]

On 9/11/2020 at 6:32 PM, soltakss said:

Once you say something, it is canon.

 

That kind of thinking might bring some suspicious Mostali knocking at your door, asking how much you know about cannons.