The Heir of Duke Edaris of the Marche

[Luca Cherstich]

As per title, does anybody knows what happens to the "Marche" after the Uther period?

Do we have any published names for Heirs and/or Sons of the Duke?

[Morien]

The Marriage of Count Roderick:

"Travel to Leir’s Castle to visit Sir Edaris, Duke
of the Marche and his daughter, Lady Rosalyn.
The trip from Sarum to Leir’s Castle in County
Lambor via Corinium takes a week.
Lady Rosalyn is an attractive girl (APP 15) of
fifteen (b. 466). The Player-knights will easily pick
up stories of her open-handedness in the Duke’s
court (notable Trait: Generous). Rosalyn has a
dowry of half a dozen manors and, having two
brothers, is third in line to inherit."

Book of the Warlord has Sir Edar, Baron of Lambor, ruling over Leir's Castle (Leicester) during Anarchy, whose position is confirmed by Arthur by 518. Easiest thing to make him Edaris' eldest son, even though the Duchy of the Marche gets dissolved (as Duchy of Silchester is after Ulfius' death/retirement).

In 4e (531 AD), Barony of Lambor is ruled by Sir Blamore de Ganis, but Leicester is under Lindsey. So perhaps Edar had two daughters, the eldest getting Leicester and marrying the Duke of Lindsey, while the younger gets other territories and marries Sir Blamore. Then again, 4e still used territorial nobles, so this might not compare easily with BotW situation.

Edited November 7, 2020 by Morien

[Luca Cherstich]

@Morien thanks a lot for the information.

That's some good material for being inspired to create a story.

[Tizun Thane]

What Morien suggested is a good idea, but Edar, baron of Lambor is an easter egg from the Lindsey's GPC campaign of Greg Stafford.

http://satnightpendragon.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-06-07T08:20:00-07:00&max-results=7&start=7&by-date=false

Edar managed to become count of Leicester during the Anarchy. He is not related to Edaris at all (despite the names!). We can suppose that Edaris died with his descendance.

So basically, you can do whatever you want with Edaris and his children. Whatever is the best for your campaign.

[Morien]

3 hours ago, Tizun Thane said:

What Morien suggested is a good idea, but Edar, baron of Lambor is an easter egg from the Lindsey's GPC campaign of Greg Stafford.

Yeah, I think you are right:

http://satnightpendragon.blogspot.com/2008/02/499-capture-of-leicester.html

Edar seems to have been one of the Player-knights in that campaign. It is not an EXACT match, like BotW Edar calling himself 'Baron of Lambor' while the PK Edar was Count of Leicester and an enemy of "the Count of Lambor". But it is close enough that I am convinced that you are correct, and that explains why "Baron of Lambor" is in quotation marks when he is first introduced in the Anarchy castle list.

[Luca Cherstich]

OK! It seems like the whole situation is messy enough in terms of published events that I can change what I dislike as much as I want without conflicting with anything in the GPC (at least with this version of the GPC....only God know what the future 4-volumes GPC will tell about it).

I just hope next KAP edition will have some form of better Gazeteer or Atlas for each time-period (maybe one per each of the 4 GPC volumes). 

[Tizun Thane]

21 hours ago, Morien said:

But it is close enough that I am convinced that you are correct, and that explains why "Baron of Lambor" is in quotation marks when he is first introduced in the Anarchy castle list.

Yes, and the more I am thinking about it, the more I think that the name Edaris is derived from Edar ( the PK, in an inside joke) So, in some way, we are both right ^^

1 hour ago, Luca Cherstich said:

K! It seems like the whole situation is messy enough in terms of published events that I can change what I dislike as much as I want without conflicting with anything in the GPC (at least with this version of the GPC....only God know what the future 4-volumes GPC will tell about it).

That's the spirit The only certainty is that there is no more duke of the west march (or whatever his title was) during the reign of Arthur.

The only dukes came from an older time (Lindsey, Silchester), and in the case of Silchester, the title was not given to his son.

[Morien]

Given how many changes there were between GPC and BotW, no one would blame you for changing things around.

While I happily mine BotW castle tables and baron tables for ideas, I certainly don't feel constrained by them in game. Looking at my notes, I see I did use Sir Edar of Leicester in our campaign, but I took the "Baron of Lambor" to mean that he was a usurper, and portrayed him as such when the PKs met him during the Morgan's Marriage escort mission.

Also, YPWV. Frankly, if your Pendragon Campaign is exactly following GPC, I would suspect that something has gone wrong! Your own story is more important than GPC, after all. Of course, my campaigns were already off the rails pretty quickly. The first campaign started pre-GPC, so I didn't realize that Robert was not supposed to be an adult during Anarchy, and I ended up killing him off during the Roman War. In the second campaign, the PKs decided to ally with Cornwall (Ellen marrying Prince Mark, who became the new Regent), ending in a fight against first Nanteleod and then Arthur, with Robert (who had switched to Arthur's side after being captured) dead in a battle against Prince Galegantis. Which left the Praetor (Steward) of Levcomagus (PKs' personal enemy) as the heir to Salisbury thanks to the marriage to Jenna that the PKs had orchestrated in early Anarchy. So the PKs ended up exiled to Cornwall, which worked out since the now-King Mark was happy to welcome the loyal knights to his court.  Just to mention a couple of examples.