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My players in our RQG 11 Lights campaign are going to Ash Anvari to join Kalyr's quest (they don't know the details but know she wants them and their Three Stars temple bodyguard to join in something important). They are heading there via an insanely circuitous route via Tink to talk to Forang Forash and Shaker Temple to talk to them about a dinosaur problem. 

While there they are going to pilgrimage to Kero Fin because why not. 

I'm at a bit of a loss about the shaker temple and the great mountain. There are a couple of paragraphs about each in the guide but I'm not finding much else.

So I'm looking for any inspiration whatever about those 2 locations once up close. The year is Sea 1624 so I might have some Lunar Tarsh soldiers patrolling but any ideas about the details of those locations would be great!

What do you think the shaker temple is like?  How do they treat Rando male Sartarites asking religious questions? 

What does Kero Fin look like outside the remarkable height and spiral path. Is there a shrine there to monetize all the pilgrimages? 

Any ideas or sources at all are welcome! 

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hm. Maran Gor is the grim mother of dinosaurs and the bloody, thirsting earth. She’s the goddess of earthquakes, the harsh sides of nature, and “Blood makes the grass grow! KILL1 KILL! KILL!” I’m imagining that they’d be fine with rando male Sartarites showing up if:

  1. Said rando male Sartarites don’t show up in the middle of one of their secret rites and try to barge into the temple. 
  2. They show up with a decent sacrifice or gift to the temple
  3. The rando male Sartarites know their place and are highly respectful to the earthquake priestesses

Maran Gor strikes me as one of the few Orlanthi gods who occasionally demands human sacrifice and can get away with it. Remind the heroes of this when they show up asking questions. Mention that the priestesses don’t have any armed guards here, but they do have, oh, I don’t know, a pack of pet velociraptors or maybe a juvenile T-Rex as a “guard dog.” It hisses and chirps (theropod dinosaurs are birds, so they wouldn’t roar, they’d make angry bird noises, just bigger) at the PCs territorially, and maybe makes a bluff charge or two to scare them off before a priestess grants them entrance. Even then....

Mention that the public area of the temple is maybe just a courtyard, an animal pen to keep sacrifices, and a hall underground with the sacrificial altar. Lots of secret spaces. Think of it like an Ernaldan temple, only darker, bloodthirsty, and more aggressive about keeping the Earth’s secrets from non-worshippers. Maybe they’d be willing to talk, but some topics will be forbidden and might get them either tossed out of the temple or fed to Fido out by the front gates.

I’m babbling, but I hope some of this helps. 

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Also, it's a refuge for Tarsh Exiles, dispossessed anti-Lunar Tarshites.  I can't imagine they're a particularly welcoming lot, even to Sartarites.  And for that reason, I also doubt there is a monetized pilgrimage there.

 

And that bloodthirsty attitude interacts quite well with Maran Gor, and they may lean into it a bit.  I would not be surprised if there are pro-Lunarite men who get sacrificed on occasion.

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2 hours ago, ZedAlpha said:

Mention that the priestesses don’t have any armed guards here

I fully expect them to be well-guarded by Babeester Gor Axe Maidens.  It's that kind of place.

As noted on RQG p.133, the Shaker Temple is on the site where Grandfather Mortal died, so there's definitely a mythic focus on sacrifice here.  In 1625, the Shaker Priestesses will raise Unstey as the new King of Wintertop - based on KoS, I think these kings get a 7-year reign, and then have to defeat challengers in fights to the death to retain kingship.

4 hours ago, Zodgrod said:

So I'm looking for any inspiration whatever about those 2 locations once up close.

It's like an impossible mountain - a needle rising 12km into the Sky.  Probably looks like it touches or pierces the Sky Dome, it is that tall (if you can see it, as there are likely clouds around).  Inora was born here, so the peak should be snow/ice covered.  Orlanth and Yinkin were born here - expect cloud alynx to swirl and leap about, as well as winds that gust in all sorts of directions.  Perhaps high up, with the right sight, you can just make out the cave where Orlanth was born.

This is the brief writeup from SKoH p.115: Her ice-covered summit extends into the Other Side and is the source of her common name, Wintertop. Kero Fin is a site of pilgrimage for Orlanthi throughout Dragon Pass and beyond. The lower mountain is dotted with shrines and holy sites. At the base of Kero Fin is Maranaba, a temple to Maran Gor, the Earth Shaker. At its top is a temple to the Mother of Storm. Between lies the difficult cliffs and precipices that Orlanthi priests overcome in daring fits of religious zeal. The pious climb high up the mountain and jump off, trusting to Orlanth. Those who have defied or angered the god are unlikely to be helped and plummet to sure death. All Orlanthi are familiar with the location for on Orlanth’s high holy day their souls fly there to attend the god. Openly anti-Lunar Orlanthi have taken shelter on the Great Mother’s snowy reaches and have allied with the bloody priestesses of Maran Gor.

There are some bits on the Shaker Temple in Glorantha Sourcebook:

p.16: The Grazelanders rode against the Shaker’s Temple, but were defeated among the groves that surround the holy ground.

p.24: The exiled Lunar King Philigos and his bodyguard were slain. Their scalps still adorn the Shaker’s Temple.

p.90: the Shaker’s Temple at the base of Kero Fin Mountain. It is where Maran Gor danced to shake down the armies of the Devil when they invaded against her sister, and that place is always safe for her worshippers.  [i.e. there's probably a sacred dancing ground, and Maran's footprints are probably visible in the rock.]

I'm not sure there are any other references.  The Earth Temple I'd expect to be a cube - half within the stony earth, and half outside.  There should be a sacrificial ground, and sounds like groves around that.  Probably signs of cracked and broken earth (fissures that perhaps go to the roots of Wintertop?).

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Saronil, the first-generation heir of Sartar, was raised at Shaker's Temple, alongside Palashee, and presumably found his wife (mother of Sarotar, Onelisin and Jarolar) there. It is the home of Sorana Tor, avatar of Kero Fin.
 

Shaker's Temple also appears to be somewhat cosmopolitan - Saronil met the dwarves there who taught him secrets of wall-making and tower-building. We know that the dragonewts can use the temple as an entryway into their magical roads.

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13 hours ago, Qizilbashwoman said:

Maran Gor is a goddess of human sacrifice

Ana Gor is the goddess of human sacrifice, and it is her that manifests as Sorana Tor. She is not the same goddess as Maran Gor. But Maran Gor (as Erantha Gor the axe goddess) is one of the deities she permits to human sacrifice when it is not necessary, and I think Maran Gor serves Sorana Tor in appreciation of that relationship. 

I think all the grain goddesses have the right to accept human sacrifice, just very few of them do - Hon-Eel has genuinely discovered an ancient Earth rite, rather than creating a new Lunar one, with her maize rites. And the Earthshakers are angry at the Hon-Eel cult, not because of the human sacrifice rites (that would be rather hypocritical!) but because Hon-Eel dares to perform it without seeking the approval of Sorana Tor, who represents sovereignty over Dragon Pass (whose power is now channeled through the Feathered Horse Queen). 

I think there are some interesting questions about the relationship between the Feathered Horse Queens and the Earthshakers. 

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29 minutes ago, davecake said:

I think there are some interesting questions about the relationship between the Feathered Horse Queens and the Earthshakers. 

Well, I've had about 5 different character concepts pop in my head from this. 🙂

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54 minutes ago, Nevermet said:

Well, I've had about 5 different character concepts pop in my head from this.

I think that the FHQ must allow herself to be possessed by Sorana Tor in the various sovereignty rites, including her sacred marriage with the King of Dragon Pass. But I am sure there is a lot more to it than that. 

When there is a blood sacrifice, it can sometimes be to Maran Gor, if it an enemy of the Earth etc. But I think the sacred marriage is about, in part, the King offering himself as a potential sacrifice to the Land Goddess (in this case Kero Fin) if he does not fulfill his duties to the Earth. It is acknowledging that the Land is the real source of sovereignty. 

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12 hours ago, davecake said:

Ana Gor is the goddess of human sacrifice, and it is her that manifests as Sorana Tor. She is not the same goddess as Maran Gor. But Maran Gor (as Erantha Gor the axe goddess) is one of the deities she permits to human sacrifice when it is not necessary, and I think Maran Gor serves Sorana Tor in appreciation of that relationship. 

I think all the grain goddesses have the right to accept human sacrifice, just very few of them do - Hon-Eel has genuinely discovered an ancient Earth rite, rather than creating a new Lunar one, with her maize rites. And the Earthshakers are angry at the Hon-Eel cult, not because of the human sacrifice rites (that would be rather hypocritical!) but because Hon-Eel dares to perform it without seeking the approval of Sorana Tor, who represents sovereignty over Dragon Pass (whose power is now channeled through the Feathered Horse Queen). 

I think there are some interesting questions about the relationship between the Feathered Horse Queens and the Earthshakers. 

whoops my bad, thanks

What do you think of the intercession of the Red Emperor with the Corn Dollies? That's a weird spin.

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On 3/15/2021 at 10:34 PM, davecake said:

I think all the grain goddesses have the right to accept human sacrifice, just very few of them do - Hon-Eel has genuinely discovered an ancient Earth rite, rather than creating a new Lunar one, with her maize rites. And the Earthshakers are angry at the Hon-Eel cult, not because of the human sacrifice rites (that would be rather hypocritical!) but because Hon-Eel dares to perform it without seeking the approval of Sorana Tor, who represents sovereignty over Dragon Pass (whose power is now channeled through the Feathered Horse Queen). 

They're probably also angry at how willy-nilly they are with it, using it not just to prevent starvation, but simply to just have even more food. At least a few Shaker priestesses almost certainly see that as as incredibly disrespectful, to invoke the terrible powers of the Dark Earth for convenience rather than need.

On 3/16/2021 at 11:11 AM, Qizilbashwoman said:

whoops my bad, thanks

What do you think of the intercession of the Red Emperor with the Corn Dollies? That's a weird spin.

Probably because as a male, patriarchal ruler in the mold of the old Yelmic emperors, he's understandably very leery of these rites that are so close in spirit to the concept of the sacrificial kingship that Brightface overthrew. And given that the eventual fate of the Mask of Argenteus is to be sacrificed by Great Sister, he's right to be.

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8 hours ago, Leingod said:

They're probably also angry at how willy-nilly they are with it, using it not just to prevent starvation, but simply to just have even more food. At least a few Shaker priestesses almost certainly see that as as incredibly disrespectful, to invoke the terrible powers of the Dark Earth for convenience rather than need.

On 3/16/2021 at 7:11 PM, Qizilbashwoman said:

I think that's a good point. While it might make sense in a munchkinny sense, this kind of systemic exploitation is likely culturally unacceptable to many.

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Mythically trickster seduced Barbeester Gor, so things are likely to get complicated very quickly with the temple guards if there is a trickster in the party - real love hate thing. They might demand the trickster wait outside with them.

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19 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said:

I, uh, interpreted this differently than you probably intended. 🤣

As in keeping the Trickster inactive? There is no way one can talk about Eurmal and his lookalikes without innuendo.

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