svensson Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just had to shut down a flame war on youtube over the usage of Sindarin in Dunedain names in LotR. Does that mean my Cosmic Geek Powers just flared again? Seriously, do NOT toy with my Tolkien-Fu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentorange Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, svensson said: Just had to shut down a flame war on youtube over the usage of Sindarin in Dunedain names in LotR. Does that mean my Cosmic Geek Powers just flared again? Seriously, do NOT toy with my Tolkien-Fu! Tolkien, tolkien........wasn't he the bloke that wrote all those Narnia stories ? 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svensson Posted June 7, 2021 Author Share Posted June 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Agentorange said: Tolkien, tolkien........wasn't he the bloke that wrote all those Narnia stories ? I dunno... didn't he write Dragonriders of Pern or some shit? Had to do with dragons, I know that much... 😂😁 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassneedles Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, svensson said: I dunno... didn't he write Dragonriders of Pern or some shit? Had to do with dragons, I know that much... 😂😁 I think he also did the novelisation of those amazing hobbit movies. I bought the book all excited to read it then I got confused and kept wondering why he kept skipping all the awesome scenes from the movies. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Absentia Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 This video deserves to be trundled out every couple of years on occasions like this. !i! 2 5 Quote ...developer of White Rabbit Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd Dupont Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 I read the book like 3 times when I was 16 (that's a long time ago 😞 )... I forgot everything, except that it starts quite slowly, but action pick up after page 200 or something... 😛 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Wulfraed Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 52 minutes ago, Lloyd Dupont said: I read the book like 3 times when I was 16 (that's a long time ago 😞 )... I forgot everything, except that it starts quite slowly, but action pick up after page 200 or something... 😛 Try the Silmarillion... The first part is basically the equivalent of biblical "Genesis"... And I think that's as far as I ever got with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali the Helering Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 I was given LotR as a birthday present (appropriately) and read solidly till finished. Rinse, repeat... By my 18th birthday I calculated that I had read it 16 times. I think I was a tad obsessive! 43 years later that total must be around 35 - 40. Silmarillion is astoundingly better, though. One thing I have learnt from all of this is - it's a series of novels set in a world. I quite enjoy it, despite the racism implicit to the time of writing. Avoid the Quenya elitists and all Sindarin flame wars. It's a series of novels, no more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the barbarian Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Ali the Helering said: I was given LotR as a birthday present (appropriately) and read solidly till finished. Rinse, repeat... By my 18th birthday I calculated that I had read it 16 times. I think I was a tad obsessive! 43 years later that total must be around 35 - 40. Silmarillion is astoundingly better, though. I said on a different social media (discord) that I had plowed through the series (minus appendices) over a three day bout of influenza (ah, simpler times and simpler illnesses) in my mid-twenties. By that time, I had read it since my thirteenth year at least once a year. I have slowed and have no idea how many times I had cracked the spine to read, "This book is largely concerned with Hobbits, and from its pages a reader may discover much of their character and a little of their history.” Hell, that would be enough, before long... I would be back in the Shire with the much changed Hobbits bringing some of the foreign ways home with them. A few adventures to tell around the fires as they grew older... until that sad day that Nine-Fingered Frodo... Nope, that would be spoilers. Love it! Edited June 8, 2021 by Bill the barbarian 2 Quote ... remember, with a TARDIS, one is never late for breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali the Helering Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Bill the barbarian said: until that sad day that Nine Fingered Frodo... Yes, I remember the jokes concerning the Nazgul and Frodo too.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svensson Posted June 8, 2021 Author Share Posted June 8, 2021 8 hours ago, Ali the Helering said: I was given LotR as a birthday present (appropriately) and read solidly till finished. Rinse, repeat... By my 18th birthday I calculated that I had read it 16 times. I think I was a tad obsessive! 43 years later that total must be around 35 - 40. Silmarillion is astoundingly better, though. One thing I have learnt from all of this is - it's a series of novels set in a world. I quite enjoy it, despite the racism implicit to the time of writing. Avoid the Quenya elitists and all Sindarin flame wars. It's a series of novels, no more. Am I the only one in this conversation that's a little terrified at the Middle Earth Second Age series that's coming up? For one thing, I personally think of the Silmarillion as one of the greatest fantasy books in the English language. I realize that the last really new piece of literature in Human history was probably 'Gilgamesh' and that even that has some plagiarism in it, but JRRT had such a wonderful way of presenting the moral dilemmas of his characters [honestly good people doomed by the very traits that made them 'good'] and societies ['pride goeth before the fall' etc.]. I'm not saying that Peter Jackson did an awful job with LotR [I AM saying his Hobbit trilogy sucks balls, but nevermind], but there's a lot of stuff in Silimarillion that any director would truly eff up if they're not an actual fanboy. And I think this quote needs to be in this conversation somewhere: [From 'The Martian', Kristin Wiig (Annie), Chwitel Ejiofor (Vincent) and Jeff Bridges (Teddy) having a conversation] Annie Montrose: What the hell is "Project Elrond?" Vincent Kapoor: I had to make something up. Annie Montrose: But "Elrond?" Mitch Henderson: Because it's a secret meeting. Annie Montrose: How do you know that; why does Elrond mean secret meeting? Bruce Ng: The Council of Elrond. It's the... it's... it's... from The Lord of the Rings. It's the meeting where they decide to destroy the One Ring. Teddy Sanders: If we are going to call something Project Elrond, I would like my code name to be Glorfindel. Annie Montrose: Okay, I hate every one of you 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Absentia Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 "The Council of Elrond" is also the chapter that stops every reader of The Fellowship of the Rings dead in their tracks for a month until they secretly convince themselves that its okay to just skip it -- maybe skim it -- and move on. And you know what? We don't need to harbor this secret anymore. It really is okay. My name is Ian, and I skipped over "The Council of Elrond" in January 1978. !i! 1 3 Quote ...developer of White Rabbit Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali the Helering Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Ian Absentia said: "The Council of Elrond" is also the chapter that stops every reader of The Fellowship of the Rings dead in their tracks for a month until they secretly convince themselves that its okay to just skip it -- maybe skim it -- and move on. And you know what? We don't need to harbor this secret anymore. It really is okay. My name is Ian, and I skipped over "The Council of Elrond" in January 1978. !i! One does not simply 'skip over' Mordor.... 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svensson Posted June 8, 2021 Author Share Posted June 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Ian Absentia said: "The Council of Elrond" is also the chapter that stops every reader of The Fellowship of the Rings dead in their tracks for a month until they secretly convince themselves that its okay to just skip it -- maybe skim it -- and move on. And you know what? We don't need to harbor this secret anymore. It really is okay. My name is Ian, and I skipped over "The Council of Elrond" in January 1978. !i! In my re-reads I routinely skip the whole Birthday Party nonsense. But then, I also refer to halflings and gnomes in RPGs as 'ratlings'.... Even my [ahem...] 'burglar' in LOTRO was a Human named 'Wat Shankswell' lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Absentia Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) Hey, as long as we're discussing outrage and blasphemies against the Tolkien estate, how do people feel about The Last Ringbearer? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer I have to say, now that I'm not 13, it's my favored interpretation of Middle Earth, JRR's history being written by the victors and all. The translation I read was pretty uneven, but it's an awfully amusing (okay, maybe just "entertaining") take on the War of the Rings. !i! Edited June 8, 2021 by Ian Absentia 1 1 Quote ...developer of White Rabbit Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the barbarian Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, svensson said: In my re-reads I routinely skip the whole Birthday Party nonsense. Aw svsensson, the eleven-first Birthday was one of my favourite parts! Edited June 8, 2021 by Bill the barbarian 1 Quote ... remember, with a TARDIS, one is never late for breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill the barbarian Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Ian Absentia said: Hey, as long as we're discussing outrage and blasphemies against the Tolkien estate, how do people feel about The Last Ringbearer? Bakshi and Leonard Nimoy come to mind when I see blasphemy and the name of that worthy author in the same chapter, never mind sentence! Edited June 8, 2021 by Bill the barbarian 2 Quote ... remember, with a TARDIS, one is never late for breakfast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali the Helering Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 42 minutes ago, Ian Absentia said: Hey, as long as we're discussing outrage and blasphemies against the Tolkien estate, how do people feel about The Last Ringbearer? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer I have to say, now that I'm not 13, it's my favored interpretation of Middle Earth, JRR's history being written by the victors and all. The translation I read was pretty uneven, but it's an awfully amusing (okay, maybe just "entertaining") take on the War of the Rings. !i! Less integrity than Bored of the Rings and the Sellamillion. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soltakss Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 19 hours ago, svensson said: [From 'The Martian', Kristin Wiig (Annie), Chwitel Ejiofor (Vincent) and Jeff Bridges (Teddy) having a conversation] Annie Montrose: What the hell is "Project Elrond?" Vincent Kapoor: I had to make something up. Annie Montrose: But "Elrond?" Mitch Henderson: Because it's a secret meeting. Annie Montrose: How do you know that; why does Elrond mean secret meeting? Bruce Ng: The Council of Elrond. It's the... it's... it's... from The Lord of the Rings. It's the meeting where they decide to destroy the One Ring. Teddy Sanders: If we are going to call something Project Elrond, I would like my code name to be Glorfindel. Annie Montrose: Okay, I hate every one of you We have just started project Endor at work and apparently they had a very similar conversation. 1 2 Quote Simon Phipp - Caldmore Chameleon - Wallowing in my elitism since 1982. Many Systems, One Family. Just a fanboy. www.soltakss.com/index.html Jonstown Compendium author. Find my contributions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloster Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 9 hours ago, Ian Absentia said: Hey, as long as we're discussing outrage and blasphemies against the Tolkien estate, how do people feel about The Last Ringbearer? I've never heard about it, but have a try on 'The ring thing', especially if you accept the schwytzerdutsch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Absentia Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 14 hours ago, Ali the Helering said: Less integrity than Bored of the Rings and the Sellamillion. You've read it then? !i! Quote ...developer of White Rabbit Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali the Helering Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ian Absentia said: You've read it then? !i! Some, before I decided I had a limited time on Earth, and better ways to spend it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Absentia Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Ali the Helering said: Some, before I decided I had a limited time on Earth, and better ways to spend it. I feel you. That's how I felt trying to read Tolkien as an adult. !i! 1 Quote ...developer of White Rabbit Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Godspeed Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) I still get a kick out of diving back into Middle-Earth every now and then. It's been a while since I read LotR, but it's such an strongly defined world/setting that it feels like putting on an old, comfortable sweater. It has an "earthier tone" to it than most modern fantasy, as it were. EDIT: And thanks to a bout of Elven-mania in my teens I can translate a good portion of the place names on the map. That's fun. Edited June 30, 2021 by Sir_Godspeed 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nozbat Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I've always dislike Hobbits ...too contrived... and really... if I had been Sauron...I'd have steam-rollered the Shire...mostly out of pure spite..but on the off-chance I might have found a Ring of Power Don't even get me started on the Nazgûl and their stupid plan on Weathertop. They were faced by a Ranger with a broken sword (not even used) and some torches.. didn't they have an extinguish spell between the 5 of them? Poor planning...poor execution... and high levels of incompetence. I have to admit the Silmariliion was better... probably because hobbits didn't feature at all and the story appeals to my innate Celtic sense of tragedy and ultimate doom. The elves were portrayed with morally ambivalent behaviour ..and did not have the binary choice of good and evil seen in the LoTR. The Christopher (what I found under my father's bed when he died) Tolkien stuff sometimes adds to the lore ..some is awful I enjoyed Bored of the Rings... and just downloaded The Last Ringbearer available for free in English as my Russian isn't good enough. Will look forward to reading it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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