Jump to content

Because READ THE GODDAMN BOOK!, that's why!


Recommended Posts

Just had to shut down a flame war on youtube over the usage of Sindarin in Dunedain names in LotR.

Does that mean my Cosmic Geek Powers just flared again?

Seriously, do NOT toy with my Tolkien-Fu!

Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, svensson said:

Just had to shut down a flame war on youtube over the usage of Sindarin in Dunedain names in LotR.

Does that mean my Cosmic Geek Powers just flared again?

Seriously, do NOT toy with my Tolkien-Fu!

Tolkien, tolkien........wasn't he the bloke that wrote all those Narnia stories ?

  • Like 1
  • Haha 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Agentorange said:

Tolkien, tolkien........wasn't he the bloke that wrote all those Narnia stories ?

I dunno... didn't he write Dragonriders of Pern or some shit? Had to do with dragons, I know that much... ūüėāūüėĀ

  • Haha 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
21 minutes ago, svensson said:

I dunno... didn't he write Dragonriders of Pern or some shit? Had to do with dragons, I know that much... ūüėāūüėĀ

I think he also did the novelisation of those amazing hobbit movies. I bought the book all excited to read it then I got confused and kept wondering why he kept skipping all the awesome scenes from the movies. 

  • Haha 4
Link to post
Share on other sites
52 minutes ago, Lloyd Dupont said:

I read the book like 3 times when I was 16 (that's a long time ago ūüė쬆)...

I forgot everything, except that it starts quite slowly, but action pick up after page 200 or something... ūüėõ¬†

Try the Silmarillion... The first part is basically the equivalent of biblical "Genesis"... And I think that's as far as I ever got with it.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I was given LotR as a birthday present (appropriately) and read solidly till finished.  Rinse, repeat...  By my 18th birthday I calculated that I had read it 16 times.  I think I was a tad obsessive!  43 years later that total must be around 35 - 40.  Silmarillion is astoundingly better, though.

One thing I have learnt from all of this is - it's a series of novels set in a world. 

I quite enjoy it, despite the racism implicit to the time of writing.  Avoid the Quenya elitists and all Sindarin flame wars.  It's a series of novels, no more.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, Ali the Helering said:

I was given LotR as a birthday present (appropriately) and read solidly till finished.  Rinse, repeat...  By my 18th birthday I calculated that I had read it 16 times.  I think I was a tad obsessive!  43 years later that total must be around 35 - 40.  Silmarillion is astoundingly better, though.

 

I said on a different social media (discord)¬†that I had plowed through the series (minus appendices) over a three day bout of influenza (ah, simpler times and simpler illnesses) in my mid-twenties. By that time, I had read it since my thirteenth year at least once a year. I have slowed and have no idea how many times I had cracked the spine to read,¬†¬†"This book is largely concerned with Hobbits, and from its pages a reader may discover much of their character and a little of their history.‚Ä̬†Hell, that would be enough, before¬†long... I¬†would be back in the Shire with the much changed Hobbits bringing some of the¬†foreign ways home with them. A few adventures to tell around the fires as they grew older... until that sad day that Nine-Fingered Frodo... Nope, that¬†would be spoilers.

Love it!

Edited by Bill the barbarian
  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Ali the Helering said:

I was given LotR as a birthday present (appropriately) and read solidly till finished.  Rinse, repeat...  By my 18th birthday I calculated that I had read it 16 times.  I think I was a tad obsessive!  43 years later that total must be around 35 - 40.  Silmarillion is astoundingly better, though.

One thing I have learnt from all of this is - it's a series of novels set in a world. 

I quite enjoy it, despite the racism implicit to the time of writing.  Avoid the Quenya elitists and all Sindarin flame wars.  It's a series of novels, no more.

Am I the only one in this conversation that's a little terrified at the Middle Earth Second Age series that's coming up? For one thing, I personally think of the Silmarillion as one of the greatest fantasy books in the English language. I realize that the last really new piece of literature in Human history was probably 'Gilgamesh' and that even that has some plagiarism in it, but JRRT had such a wonderful way of presenting the moral dilemmas of his characters [honestly good people doomed by the very traits that made them 'good'] and societies ['pride goeth before the fall' etc.]. I'm not saying that Peter Jackson did an awful job with LotR [I AM saying his Hobbit trilogy sucks balls, but nevermind], but there's a lot of stuff in Silimarillion that any director would truly eff up if they're not an actual fanboy.

And I think this quote needs to be in this conversation somewhere:

[From 'The Martian', Kristin Wiig (Annie), Chwitel Ejiofor (Vincent) and Jeff Bridges (Teddy) having a conversation]

Annie Montrose:
What the hell is "Project Elrond?"

Vincent Kapoor:
I had to make something up.

Annie Montrose:
But "Elrond?"

Mitch Henderson:
Because it's a secret meeting.

Annie Montrose:
How do you know that; why does Elrond mean secret meeting?

Bruce Ng:
The Council of Elrond. It's the... it's... it's... from The Lord of the Rings. It's the meeting where they decide to destroy the One Ring.

Teddy Sanders:
If we are going to call something Project Elrond, I would like my code name to be Glorfindel.

Annie Montrose:
Okay, I hate every one of you

 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

"The Council of Elrond" is also the chapter that stops every reader of The Fellowship of the Rings dead in their tracks for a month until they secretly convince themselves that its okay to just skip it -- maybe skim it -- and move on.  And you know what?  We don't need to harbor this secret anymore.  It really is okay.

My name is Ian, and I skipped over "The Council of Elrond" in January 1978.

!i!

  • Like 1
  • Haha 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Ian Absentia said:

"The Council of Elrond" is also the chapter that stops every reader of The Fellowship of the Rings dead in their tracks for a month until they secretly convince themselves that its okay to just skip it -- maybe skim it -- and move on.  And you know what?  We don't need to harbor this secret anymore.  It really is okay.

My name is Ian, and I skipped over "The Council of Elrond" in January 1978.

!i!

One does not simply 'skip over' Mordor....

  • Thanks 1
  • Haha 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Ian Absentia said:

"The Council of Elrond" is also the chapter that stops every reader of The Fellowship of the Rings dead in their tracks for a month until they secretly convince themselves that its okay to just skip it -- maybe skim it -- and move on.  And you know what?  We don't need to harbor this secret anymore.  It really is okay.

My name is Ian, and I skipped over "The Council of Elrond" in January 1978.

!i!

In my re-reads I routinely skip the whole Birthday Party nonsense.

But then, I also refer to halflings and gnomes in RPGs as 'ratlings'.... Even my [ahem...] 'burglar' in LOTRO was a Human named 'Wat Shankswell' lol!

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hey, as long as we're discussing outrage and blasphemies against the Tolkien estate, how do people feel about The Last Ringbearer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer

I have to say, now that I'm not 13, it's my favored interpretation of Middle Earth, JRR's history being written by the victors and all.  The translation I read was pretty uneven, but it's an awfully amusing (okay, maybe just "entertaining") take on the War of the Rings.

!i!

Edited by Ian Absentia
Link to post
Share on other sites
51 minutes ago, Ian Absentia said:

Hey, as long as we're discussing outrage and blasphemies against the Tolkien estate, how do people feel about The Last Ringbearer?

 

Bakshi and Leonard Nimoy come to mind when I see blasphemy and the name of that worthy author in the same chapter, never mind sentence!

Edited by Bill the barbarian
  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
42 minutes ago, Ian Absentia said:

Hey, as long as we're discussing outrage and blasphemies against the Tolkien estate, how do people feel about The Last Ringbearer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer

I have to say, now that I'm not 13, it's my favored interpretation of Middle Earth, JRR's history being written by the victors and all.  The translation I read was pretty uneven, but it's an awfully amusing (okay, maybe just "entertaining") take on the War of the Rings.

!i!

Less integrity than Bored of the Rings and the Sellamillion.  

  • Like 1
  • Haha 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
19 hours ago, svensson said:

[From 'The Martian', Kristin Wiig (Annie), Chwitel Ejiofor (Vincent) and Jeff Bridges (Teddy) having a conversation]

Annie Montrose:
What the hell is "Project Elrond?"

Vincent Kapoor:
I had to make something up.

Annie Montrose:
But "Elrond?"

Mitch Henderson:
Because it's a secret meeting.

Annie Montrose:
How do you know that; why does Elrond mean secret meeting?

Bruce Ng:
The Council of Elrond. It's the... it's... it's... from The Lord of the Rings. It's the meeting where they decide to destroy the One Ring.

Teddy Sanders:
If we are going to call something Project Elrond, I would like my code name to be Glorfindel.

Annie Montrose:
Okay, I hate every one of you

We have just started project Endor at work and apparently they had a very similar conversation.

  • Like 1
  • Haha 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, Ian Absentia said:

Hey, as long as we're discussing outrage and blasphemies against the Tolkien estate, how do people feel about The Last Ringbearer?

I've never heard about it, but have a try on 'The ring thing', especially if you accept the schwytzerdutsch.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...