mfbrandi Posted October 14, 2022 Report Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) On 10/13/2022 at 5:05 PM, Jeff said: Lodril is deeply involved in the myths of Asrelia, a comic rival of Orlanth …, and is the father of Ernalda and Maran Gor. Asrelia in her underworld aspect would in some respects make a good pairing with Lodril, but we are told (e.g. in GRoY) that Oria is the wife of Lodril. Oria is just Esrola by another name — the “sister” of Ernalda and Maran Gor. So is Lodril married to his own daughter? It is exactly the sort of thing a god would do. Is Esrola omitted from the list above as not important in the context of Sartar, because she has a different father (or no father), out of squeamishness, or for some other reason? Of course, sometimes, mother and daughter Earth goddesses are seen as aspects of the same goddess, and this might reduce the squick for some. However, we then ask: in what sense is Lodril the father of some of the earth goddesses? Does he just bring out some aspects of the earth goddess by being the fire in/heat of the earth? Lodril’s “marriage” to the earth is just a blending of elemental powers. Sounds like it might work … In the myth Ernalda and the Golden Age, we read: Quote Asrelia retired. The Queen divided up her earthly goods between her most important daughters … Maran Gor became the goddess of … landslides, earthquakes, volcanoes, … autumn and disease … Esrola became the goddess of the earth’s bounty. Children, food, sexual desire, and blood are her domain and she is known by many names to many peoples … Ernalda was acclaimed Queen of the Earth for her spiritual and magical powers were far greater than her sisters. Her power is not found in solid things but in actions, rules, ceremonies and families. Weirdly, by the Glorantha Sourcebook (pp. 89–90), Ernalda has become the bountiful patron of sex and Esrola is seemingly downgraded to mere matter. A bit of a power grab, there, as presumably Ernalda gets to keep her magical, spiritual, and social aspects. Of course, sexy Ernalda does sound more like a daughter/wife of Lodril than the Ernalda of the division of powers myth. Is the Esrola rôle on its way out, which would leave Lodril as father-in-law of and co-husband with Orlanth — as well as the father of Caladra & Aurelion, Oakfed, Gustbran, Mahome, and Quivin, and father-in-law of Barntar (who is Orlanth, anyway? — I lose track). No wonder insecure Orlanth wants him sent up. Edited October 14, 2022 by mfbrandi word order 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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