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14 minutes ago, SNaomiScott said:

Wait, is there really going to be a Grand Argrath Campaign for RQG similar to the Pendragon one, or is this just rumour and speculation at this time?

IIRC, someone official @Chaosium has stated that a RQG "Grand <X> Campaign" (in Pendragon's GPC model) is looking probable; or at least has made implications to that effect.  I don't believe any writing has begun (other than the fact that they have a metric crapton of Gregnotes -- and extended writings! -- on Argrath & his Argrathsaga).

I am... unclear whether I think this is a Good Thing, or not.  The Hero Wars, and players comparing their own PCs to the Really Big Guns, already elicits grumbling about how the metaplot looks a lot like being sidekicks to the GMPC's Destiny.  I cannot but think a published Argrathsaga would make that grumbling worse.

 

At the same time, I cannot help but ...

 

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SQUEE!!!

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1 hour ago, g33k said:

I am... unclear whether I think this is a Good Thing, or not.

If done quickly, this will be a Good Thing, as it will allow GMs and Players to run through a truly epic campaign.

If it takes years, it will be a Bad Thing, as we will constantly be waiting for the heroic campaign.

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6 hours ago, g33k said:

I am... unclear whether I think this is a Good Thing, or not.  The Hero Wars, and players comparing their own PCs to the Really Big Guns, already elicits grumbling about how the metaplot looks a lot like being sidekicks to the GMPC's Destiny.  I cannot but think a published Argrathsaga would make that grumbling worse.

I'm pretty much the same myself.

Would it be nice to have a big campaign that you can sink the players into for several months a la Pendragon? Sure. It would definitely help give the players a strong taste of what the Hero Wars and Glorantha (esp. Dragon Pass) is about, and would be handy for newcomer GM's to get a feel for running a RQ game, but...

As you say, it could also set up a situation where players (and potentially GMs) are trying to outshine the big names of the Hero Wars and steal the thunder (no pun intended).

At the same time, I *love* the ambiguity surrounding the stories of Argrath as presented in King of Sartar, and can see myself possibly being a little disappointed by anything that attempts to offer a definitive canonical answer to the question of 'who is Argrath?'

There's a part of me that would love to see something like this, but another, larger part that would want it be focused around something less established than Argrath's rise to power and subsequent deification (maybe).

 

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I think it would be a Good Thing.

First, big campaigns always run the risk of the PCs completely derailing it. They usually give enough background info on NPCs and factions for the GM to be able to extrapolate what happens next.

Second, if anybody can pull it off, it's Chaosium. It worked for the Great Pendragon Campaign, it worked for Masks of Nyarlathotep, it worked for Horror on the Orient Express... I mean, I don't know if any one game company has as many Big Giant-Ass Campaign Books as Chaosium under the same roof.

Third, there are many ways to go about it... they could put the PCs at the forefront of the Sartarite rebellion, and only talk about Argrath in boxed text ("Argrath's Saga", similar to "Vasana's Saga" and all the other "Sagas" that flavoured every RQ book), effectively making him an "example PC". They could show in detail how the "canon" timeline goes, but actually spend most of the book's real estate on info on armies, alliances, tactics, and so on, so that you could play it from any given faction (you can join the Lunars and make them win?). Last, they could just frame it in a way that still gives players a feeling of accomplishment -- I really don't see how not being "the main guy" is a problem. There are plenty of missions that Argrath might give the PCs that can change the war, from leading an important flanking battalion to going behind enemy lines to assassinate an important figure to being spies or recovering magical artefacts or securing alliances and what not. I think that could be immensely fun to play. After all, I don't think anybody would oppose playing games set during WW2 just because "you know how it turns out" and you can't play Churchill, no?

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12 hours ago, soltakss said:

If done quickly, this will be a Good Thing, as it will allow GMs and Players to run through a truly epic campaign.

If it takes years, it will be a Bad Thing, as we will constantly be waiting for the heroic campaign.

Or they could do it "The Boy King" like: 
Publishing the first half of the campaign NOW for immediate use, and work on the second half while we are playing in the era of the first book. 


Argrath Saga, Part 1 1621 - 1638 (Battle of Dwernapple AND Phargentes crowned Red Emperor)
Argrath Saga, Part 2 1638 - 1655

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3 hours ago, AndreJarosch said:

Or they could do it "The Boy King" like: 
Publishing the first half of the campaign NOW for immediate use, and work on the second half while we are playing in the era of the first book. 

Now, that would work.

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On 9/7/2019 at 6:47 PM, SNaomiScott said:

Wait, is there really going to be a Grand Argrath Campaign for RQG similar to the Pendragon one, or is this just rumour and speculation at this time?

Yes, there will be a GAC (1602 [!]-1655) & no, it's not just "rumour & speculation" as @Jeff is working on it. If we get it in 2021 we should be happy & if it's next year, we should be overjoyed, now, shouldn't we?!!

Here is what @Jason Durall recently wrote on the RQ Facebook page:

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'The Smoking Ruin & Other Stories' goes into layout ASAP. Art has been the holdup for this book.

Immediately after, 'The Pegasus Plateau & Other Stories' goes into layout, as art is coming in and should be done when TSR is finished.

Then it's onto the Starter Set, the GM Sourcebook, and the Campaign Guide, in that order, with Cults of Glorantha to follow.

We may intersperse something smaller in the last batch, as we're getting an embarrassment of great manuscripts piling up.

André Jarosch added:

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The "GM Sourcebook" is the GM book?
The "Campaign Guide" is the Dragon Pass Campaign?
"Cults of Glorantha" is the new title of Gods and Goddesess of Glorantha?

And @Jason Durall impishly replied:

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Andre Jarosch Who even knows?!?!

 

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2 hours ago, Christoph Kohring said:

If we get it in 2021 we should be happy & if it's next year, we should be overjoyed, now, shouldn't we?!!

That's my opinion also... we can do better than the cliche of the impatient (or, worse, entitled) fans asking for things to go faster than they should realistically go.

I'm surprised to see the Starter Set and GM Guide come after the 2 scenario books -- I thought (based on some previous staff comments on the forums) that they had a higher priority. It's also interesting to see that Cults of Glorantha is after the Campaign Guide (since it sounded like Jeff was mostly working on the cults lately... does that mean the Campaign Guide first draft is pretty complete already?). No mention of the new Pavis book so I assume Robin is still hard at work on the manuscript -- he was recently mentioning some interesting "archeological loot" approach to Big Rubble treasures in his podcast.

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14 minutes ago, lordabdul said:

 

I'm surprised to see the Starter Set and GM Guide come after the 2 scenario books -- I thought (based on some previous staff comments on the forums) that they had a higher priority. It's also interesting to see that Cults of Glorantha is after the Campaign Guide (since it sounded like Jeff was mostly working on the cults lately... does that mean the Campaign Guide first draft is pretty complete already?). No mentioned of the new Pavis book so I assume Robin is still hard at work on the manuscript -- he was recently mentioning some interesting "archeological loot" approach to Big Rubble treasures in his podcast.

The important factor is art. It has nothing to do with the manuscripts. 

The commission for art for the cults books [both volumes] put finished stuff on hold. 

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In the mean-time we can all (re)read what a genius gamemaster, Martin Laurie, did with only KoS as a source because that was indeed a grand & magnificent Argath (the Gwandorling!) campaign:

http://www.celtic-webs.com/glorantha/campaigns/gwandor/gwandor.html

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On 9/7/2019 at 6:47 PM, SNaomiScott said:

Wait, is there really going to be a Grand Argrath Campaign for RQG similar to the Pendragon one, or is this just rumour and speculation at this time?

@Jeff wrote elsewhere:

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This is pretty much the subject of the RuneQuest Campaign book, which goes season by season to the acclamation of Argrath as Prince of Sartar, and then yearly going forward.

In conversation with Jeff (first time IRL!) at Les Hydriades convention here in the land of the Switzers this spring, he also said that the GAC/ RQ Campaign Book would also go backwards to -or even begin in- 1602, Uther Pendragon-style.

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4 hours ago, Christoph Kohring said:

@Jeff wrote elsewhere:

In conversation with Jeff (first time IRL!) at Les Hydriades convention here in the land of the Switzers this spring, he also said that the GAC/ RQ Campaign Book would also go backwards to -or even begin in- 1602, Uther Pendragon-style.

Nice! I'm extremely much in favor of this. I hope any grand campaign would support starting  by playing Borderlands!

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