Prax and the thousand questions about the place.

[Noita]

Lots of empty Unicorn riders, Zebra riders and Pol Joni, is that because they are outsiders?

 

Edited January 18, 2017 by Iskallor

[Noita]

I've always though the Bolo Lizard riders were descendants of the original inhabitants of the Wastes and would therefore have the Earth Rune. They do in my game anyways.

[David Scott]

1 hour ago, Iskallor said:

Lots of empty Unicorn riders, Zebra riders and Pol Joni, is that because they are outsiders?

Yes, their peoples did not all come from the Wastelands - Unicorn Riders - everywhere!, Zebra Riders were originally PHP and the Pol Joni were created from Sartarites and Praxians (and some others).

[David Scott]

1 hour ago, Iskallor said:

I've always though the Bolo Lizard riders were descendants of the original inhabitants of the Wastes and would therefore have the Earth Rune. They do in my game anyways.

You make a good point. I've just reviewed the current writeup for them and noticed that their founder was unlikely to be Storm Bull and likely Tada, with Eiritha as his wife. So the refigured spread is same as the Rhino Riders: Air M/F 10/2, Earth M/F 86/94, the others including Moon at 1%

Bolo Lizard
1
M	F
10	2
86	94
1	1
1	1
1	1
1	1

 

[Noita]

Cool, they are my favourite peoples of the Wastes. 

[soltakss]

7 hours ago, Darius West said:

I am not sure that rhinos, even Praxian rhinos are really evolved for burrowing behavior.  I would suggest that using gnomes to dig pits and disguise them is an alternative method of ambush, assuming that the earth rune isn't primarily used for keeping people and animals fed.

What? They even have a burrowing tool right there on their heads - Just bend down, move your head left and right, move forward and continue. Perfect.

[Noita]

1 hour ago, soltakss said:

What? They even have a burrowing tool right there on their heads - Just bend down, move your head left and right, move forward and continue. Perfect.

Rhino shovel

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44361643/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/ancient-furry-rhino-had-snow-shovel-its-face/#.WH99-rFh0UE

[g33k]

On 1/15/2017 at 0:53 PM, David Scott said:

Of course some fly with their bison, that's too good not to be true. They are likely to be Storm or Wind Khans. 

... or airbenders ?

 

[Noita]

One of the Praxian Rhinos' main sources of food apart from Rhino grass is the rock yam or earth nuts as some folk call them. Found in abundance around the Rhino Rocklands.

Dug out of the ground with their digging horns.

The yams hard skin are used to make cups and bowls and its flesh roasted.

[Darius West]

I stand corrected.  Apparently rhinos use their horns for digging for water, as well as other things such as breaking branches and hurting things (a lot).  Here is a video of a baby rhino digging to illustrate the point.

 

[Noita]

It's how all the tunnels in the Paps were dug. Rhinos.

They just need to be bred in large numbers so that Krarsht can be battled properly. It's why there's so few of them now a days

[Byll]

6 hours ago, g33k said:

... or airbenders ?

Buffalo-wings heroquest...

 

 

[Noita]

Can Tada be worshipped like Waha is? 

 

 

[David Scott]

No. He gives nothing in return for worship. Some of his parts are still around, but the God himself is gone. The title Tada, still exists, reserved for those khans that have taken part in the the Basmoli rites.

[Noita]

Just reading Cults of Prax. It says that every Praxian can be said to be a member of Eiritha as a Lay member. This makes sense, but then the prohibited magic is quite extensive and would prevent one being a successful warrior or hunter for example. Personally I'd ignore that bit, but what do other folk think?

Prohibited: Bladesharp, Bludgeon, Disruption, Fanaticism, Fireblade, Fire Arrow, Iron Hand, Multimissile, Speedart.

Restricted (2x normal): all non-axe weapons skills and all knowledge skills.

[Jon Hunter]

2 hours ago, Iskallor said:

Just reading Cults of Prax. It says that every Praxian can be said to be a member of Eiritha as a Lay member. This makes sense, but then the prohibited magic is quite extensive and would prevent one being a successful warrior or hunter for example. Personally I'd ignore that bit, but what do other folk think?

Prohibited: Bladesharp, Bludgeon, Disruption, Fanaticism, Fireblade, Fire Arrow, Iron Hand, Multimissile, Speedart.

Restricted (2x normal): all non-axe weapons skills and all knowledge skills.

I would suggest boys leave the cult at the moment of initiation into waha or other cults. Its the cult of women and children.

[g33k]

3 hours ago, Iskallor said:

Just reading Cults of Prax. It says that every Praxian can be said to be a member of Eiritha as a Lay member. This makes sense, but then the prohibited magic is quite extensive and would prevent one being a successful warrior or hunter for example. Personally I'd ignore that bit, but what do other folk think?

Prohibited: Bladesharp, Bludgeon, Disruption, Fanaticism, Fireblade, Fire Arrow, Iron Hand, Multimissile, Speedart.

Restricted (2x normal): all non-axe weapons skills and all knowledge skills.

I thought that you didn't have to abide by those prohibitions as a Lay member... only Initiate and above do so.  Am I misremembering?  After all, Biturian kept Lay-Membering through much of Prax...  Did he actually abide by ALL those restrictions, of ALL those cults?

 

[Noita]

These are requirements of those wishing to be laymembers. 

[Noita]

1 hour ago, Jon Hunter said:

I would suggest boys leave the cult at the moment of initiation into waha or other cults. Its the cult of women and children.

But up until that they must follow the Eirithan restrictions. Plus old school Waha initiations were early 20's.

Contradicts the Waha no healing too.

This doesn't happen in my game, was just wondering  how i never saw this before.

[Jon Hunter]

Maybe everything in 2nd edition wasn't perfectly thought through and without error.

Shock horror.

id play at the point of adulthood they become initiates of males cults, and those restriction apply, up until then boys are treated as women. 

but i would have a younger initiation than early 20's

You don't teach warrior spells to children.

[David Scott]

5 hours ago, Iskallor said:

Just reading Cults of Prax. It says that every Praxian can be said to be a member of Eiritha as a Lay member.

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Among the peoples of Prax it is assumed that all people are Lay members of the cult if they live with the tribe, for each person benefits from the goddess' gifts and worships her for it. 

Under the lay member rules, you can become a permanent lay member by fulfilling certain obligations, otherwise it's temporary with the person paying a price every time to participate in ceremonies as a lay member. Clearly Waha members will fail to become permanent lay members as they likely have forbidden spells, etc, but are admitted to ceremonies as they are an associate cult, fulfilling the requirement:

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Or they may perform some service, make a special gift, or otherwise satisfy the priestess presiding and show that they arc sincere and friendly 

I don't think it's complicated.

[Yelm's Light]

^  What David said.  It's not like they're official lay members; all pay their respects (and sometimes some of their lucre), but they're generally under their own cult restrictions, not those of an associated cult.

[g33k]

This is the common-sense solution...  But it does explicitly violate the RAW, if one is being persnickity about it.

[David Scott]

50 minutes ago, g33k said:

This is the common-sense solution...  But it does explicitly violate the RAW, if one is being persnickity about it.

I don't think so. Reading the lay member section in the sample cult on page 6:

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Lay Members are required to join a cult each time that they attend its services, unless they already belong.

They can't belong as they'd violate the spell prohibitions.

[Yelm's Light]

That's like saying a Protestant has to convert if he/she wants to attend Mass.  I would think Eiritha would be slightly more inclusive of worshippers from associated cults.  Of course, casting prohibited spells during services would be viewed as a breach and dealt with as such.  You don't walk in and start splashing the holy water.