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Drawing (and doing pretty much everything) in slow time... The larger version of the High Llama isn't finished, because I realised the full-sized picture resulted in too much white space. So I need to draw some smaller creatures in the 'foreground'. Impala, ostrich or bolo lizard? Not certain what the latter should look like.

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18 minutes ago, Sir_Godspeed said:

Damn, never quite realized how *huge* those High Llamas are. You need a rope ladder just to climb up on them!

I've based it on one description of the Aepycamelus, on which I believe the high llama is broadly based, which makes them this tall, but chatting with a paleontologist, the more common description makes them a bit smaller - about eight feet at the shoulder (I'd assumed ten)... So have some rework to do tomorrow. Fortunately, the rider is drawn separately to the animal, so there's just a need to rescale...

Regarding mounting one of these beasts - would assume that they are trained to kneel on command, which makes it easier, though still not a simple action, even using toe loops/stirrups attached to the saddle.

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21 minutes ago, M Helsdon said:

I've based it on one description of the Aepycamelus, on which I believe the high llama is broadly based, which makes them this tall, but chatting with a paleontologist, the more common description makes them a bit smaller - about eight feet at the shoulder (I'd assumed ten)... So have some rework to do tomorrow.

You could just have a bigger one for the example. It doesn't have to be a typical specimen. If it's like horses solider might gravitate towards larger beasts for mounts. 

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Fortunately, the rider is drawn separately to the animal, so there's just a need to rescale...

Which can be done with computer, I hope.

21 minutes ago, M Helsdon said:

Regarding mounting one of these beasts - would assume that they are trained to kneel on command, which makes it easier, though still not a simple action, even using toe loops/stirrups attached to the saddle.

Have you considered some type of wood and rope "ladder" that could roll up and be dropped down to mount. 

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13 hours ago, M Helsdon said:

So I need to draw some smaller creatures in the 'foreground'... bolo lizard? Not certain what the latter should look like.

Camptosaurus elegans is what Anaxial's Roster' has them as. I think that they haven't been changed in the RQG Besitary to Ornithomimus elegans, which makes more sense really, as Camptosaurus was a bit hulking. That said, you need the old fashioned, scientifically inaccurate scaly version of Ornithomimus. The hands in the attached image are wrong - but "old-fashioned".

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5 hours ago, Atgxtg said:

You could just have a bigger one for the example. It doesn't have to be a typical specimen. If it's like horses solider might gravitate towards larger beasts for mounts. 

Which can be done with computer, I hope.

Have you considered some type of wood and rope "ladder" that could roll up and be dropped down to mount. 

MGW now V in that high lama saddle girths incorporate two mounting assists. The upper being a bone peg from which the rider does a one handed (to allow the carriage of weapons etc) pullup so as to allow the feet to reach the lower rope loop. Showy mounting involves a running leap to get the foot into the lower loop without using the peg. Hilarity ensues when the Llama takes umbrage at this behaviour.

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14 hours ago, Atgxtg said:

I love this picture! And the whole concept: dinosaur howdahs!

The howdah is a bit smaller. Latest, with corrected high llama height (loaded after third attempt).

Although I already have a height comparison chart for the majority of mounts, suspect I'm now going to have to draw most of the Praxian mounts in this manner.

10 hours ago, Lord High Munchkin said:

Camptosaurus elegans is what Anaxial's Roster' has them as. I think that they haven't been changed in the RQG Besitary to Ornithomimus elegans, which makes more sense really, as Camptosaurus was a bit hulking. That said, you need the old fashioned, scientifically inaccurate scaly version of Ornithomimus. The hands in the attached image are wrong - but "old-fashioned".

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Camptosaurus was a bit too big. Looking at the Khan of Khans game, the bolo-lizard seems to have a different build - and a frill of feathers?

8 hours ago, Rob Darvall said:

MGW now V in that high lama saddle girths incorporate two mounting assists. The upper being a bone peg from which the rider does a one handed (to allow the carriage of weapons etc) pullup so as to allow the feet to reach the lower rope loop. Showy mounting involves a running leap to get the foot into the lower loop without using the peg. Hilarity ensues when the Llama takes umbrage at this behaviour.

I'm sure that Praxians have all sorts of styles, and probably games involving mounting and dismounting in different ways.

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11 hours ago, M Helsdon said:

Camptosaurus was a bit too big. Looking at the Khan of Khans game, the bolo-lizard seems to have a different build - and a frill of feathers?

I sadly only have the "Print & Play" version of Khan of Khans.

P. 155 of the Gloranthan Bestiary does have a picture though that looks very Ornithomimus. Camptosaurs would definitely be the wrong animal - not a suitably fast ride.

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10 hours ago, Lord High Munchkin said:

I sadly only have the "Print & Play" version of Khan of Khans.

You've still got the card images from the Print & Play, right?

 

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Starting on the small ones... [And noticed that the new Bestiary has an illustration of all Praxian beasts - but not to scale].

 

 

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More size comparisons. Bison may be a bit small, and ostriches vary in size.

[I always draw the mount and rider separately, so that if one goes wrong or information received indicates it's wrong, the entire sketch isn't lost. Tomorrow the rhino may get a rider.]

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6 minutes ago, womble said:

Will there (in the fullness of time, natch) be Tusk riders?

Maybe, though they aren't presently on my 'to sketch' list. After riders, next animals on the list are bolo-lizard, and possibly unicorn.

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Latest. Next, a bolo-lizard...

To keep things in proportion, the lance used by the Rhino Rider is more a kontos than a lance, and would require two hands to use in combat. He also has a long-hafted axe.

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Now 'completed' the set of Praxian beasts. This doesn't appear in the book, but uses the beasts before I add riders.

[Note: contrast and gamma not unified between the sketches; am told that the dinosaurs the bolo-lizard is based on had feathers, but decided to be 'old-fashioned' - also based the hands on those shown in the illustration above...]

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Whenever this thread title pops up, it put me in mind of an art house fantasy remake of Guns of Navarrone.

Nice Bolo Lizard

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Yes the bolo lizard, if based on reality, should have feathers - but all RuneQuest art I have ever seen (and I think I might have seen nearly all), as regards feathers, is firmly "old school lizard", so probably good call on not having them.

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On 12/23/2018 at 9:11 AM, Sir_Godspeed said:

Damn, never quite realized how *huge* those High Llamas are. You need a rope ladder just to climb up on them!

The trick is probably to get them to sit down like camels so you can mount them.  I am considering the ramifications of the fact that an impala rider can apparently potentially ride underneath a High Llama.

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2 hours ago, Darius West said:

The trick is probably to get them to sit down like camels so you can mount them.  I am considering the ramifications of the fact that an impala rider can apparently potentially ride underneath a High Llama.

They just have to get the harpoon in the right place and they can fly ride round the Llama and tangle its legs up!

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Not sure about the latest - the rider's position has to be further back because a bison's 'hump' is all muscle resting on the spine and long vertebrae, and so a saddle there would be uncomfortable for the mount and the rider.

Hmm, think I'll have to move the saddle forward...

 

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23 hours ago, Darius West said:
On 12/22/2018 at 11:11 PM, Sir_Godspeed said:

Damn, never quite realized how *huge* those High Llamas are. You need a rope ladder just to climb up on them!

The trick is probably to get them to sit down like camels so you can mount them.  I am considering the ramifications of the fact that an impala rider can apparently potentially ride underneath a High Llama.

Or they have some rope tack attached to the head of the llamas using some of their considerable neck musculature (at least if their bulls use similar dominance struggles like giraffe bulls) to give them an extra pull when leaping up. A service you really can expect after spending considerable time gathering browsable leaves etc. on foot to feed to your rather picky mounts.

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Sadly, when used in the rough two-part spread, the bison looks messily drawn, so whilst the current one is usable as a spot illo, it will have to be redrawn (having not drawn for decades am rediscovering techniques...) The Praxian bison may look more like a bison priscus, even larger, so that may be another reason to redraw it.

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