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5 minutes ago, M Helsdon said:

Starting to think about the next set, but am stumped by a reference to 'Orian clothing' for one Lunar Minor Class. Obviously the costume of the cult of Oria, but I have no idea what this is. Can anyone help?

The word "matronly" comes to mind.

If it's a woman (which I assume to the reference to Oria) then maybe a large, decorated apron? Hair put up in some manner, befitting an adult, married woman engaged in serious work. Might have certain ritual accoutrements which are based off practical tools: keys, distaff (hence magic wand), basket/pot, etc.

If I'm way off, pardon me.

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2 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said:

The word "matronly" comes to mind

For Oria??? This is the land goddess of PelOria, first Genert's wife and currently Lodril's wife and a goddess of Fertility! At least for the goddess, think: full-figured, full-breasted, nude aside from decorative necklaces.  Unlike the stuffy Dara Happans, the Lodrili are usually seen as a boisterous, lusty folk.

That noted, the Orian look probably denotes a PelOrian look. Going by the Guide's notes on Pelorian clothing (p.39): Basic dress consists of a skirt, tunic, jacket, cloak or sleeved robe, and headdress.
Commoners have few pieces of clothing, and are restricted by neighborhood or occupation. Thus the farmers in one district of Raibanth all must wear dark brown skirts, light yellow shirts and cloaks, and red hats, and the same colors are forbidden to farmers of different districts of the city.
The skirts of half-citizens cannot extend below the knee and usually must be shorter. Witnesses, officers, and headmen have hemlines that are between the knee and the calf. More types of materials are permitted, but still regulated by law.
Nobles, priests, and their wives wear long robes and skirts that drag on the floor and must be carried over ground.

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1 hour ago, jajagappa said:

For Oria??? This is the land goddess of PelOria, first Genert's wife and currently Lodril's wife and a goddess of Fertility! At least for the goddess, think: full-figured, full-breasted, nude aside from decorative necklaces.  Unlike the stuffy Dara Happans, the Lodrili are usually seen as a boisterous, lusty folk.

I didn't mean to imply "stuffy", by "matron", but "woman in her prime age who is a head of a household". Sorry, I am aware that the term carries negative connotations in vernacular English.

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16 minutes ago, Sir_Godspeed said:

I didn't mean to imply "stuffy", by "matron", but "woman in her prime age who is a head of a household".

I think what I take with "matron" is less about "stuffy" but more generally of a woman past her prime (beyond childbearing/Fertility). 

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I have been looking at the Gods Wall illustration in the Guide and am tending towards something like Assyrian/Babylonian costume. The Pelorian culture illustration might also be a source.

Thank you both for your input. May start roughing something out at the weekend.

Additional: found a place for the latest sketch, which involved manipulating the captions of other sketches and... there's room for yet another one in that chapter. Checked the other chapters, and no caption changes have any impact on white space.

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Latest.

I have a mystery: on my laptop my layout looks fine; on my desktop the pagination goes awry. Word used on both. The only difference seems to be the laptop uses metric page size, the desktop imperial...

On to roughing out the next illustrations: Lunar Schools. 

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Zaytenaric.

Arm needs more work... Taken all evening to get the face 'right' as my pen-and-ink sketch was seriously 'off'.

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Orogerian. Needs a little more work...

One more to do in this series, and then I may take a break.

 

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Not happy with shading so redid it using my laptop today. Unfortunately the laptop and desktop screens have different color saturation, so unsure if this version is too dark.

 

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The latest (and for now, last) sketch added to the document.

Why are these in a fan book on Gloranthan warfare? These are all potential recruits for the Minor Class regiments.

If the information used is still canonical (it is about twenty years old, in a Greg document) then this serves (again) to illustrate the variation in the cultures and traditions that make up the Lunar Empire.

In my current layout, there's virtually no empty white space.

There are a few things I regret not drawing (such as a Carmanian cataphract or a cultures map) but at 382 pages (including index) it has now reached a milestone.

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Currently proof-reading 'stuff'.

When I finish the second pass through the first volume, may take a break and do another sketch.

Proof-reading is hard, even when you are interested in what you are reading. Past experience tells me I can cover about forty pages a day before concentration wanders.

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A teacher once told me to read sentences backwards through the paragraphs, as that makes mistakes easier to spot. If you just read it in a linear fashion, it's easier to fall into the flow of the text and miss mistakes. I've only had mixed success with the method myself, but maybe it could help you.

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4 hours ago, M Helsdon said:

Currently proof-reading 'stuff'.

When I finish the second pass through the first volume, may take a break and do another sketch.

Proof-reading is hard, even when you are interested in what you are reading. Past experience tells me I can cover about forty pages a day before concentration wanders.

When proof-reading my own "stuff" I have a devil of a time getting away from reading what I meant to write, as opposed to what I actually put down on paper (or electrons).  I usually cannot edit effectively until 3+ months after I wrote.

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18 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said:

A teacher once told me to read sentences backwards through the paragraphs, as that makes mistakes easier to spot. If you just read it in a linear fashion, it's easier to fall into the flow of the text and miss mistakes. I've only had mixed success with the method myself, but maybe it could help you.

Am presently about a quarter way through a second pass of over 500 pages... Reading fairly normally, I can just about do forty pages a day. In the past, when reviewing documents this complex have either reread chapters in a random order or in reverse order. Not certain if will do a third pass without an updated copy...

17 hours ago, g33k said:

When proof-reading my own "stuff" I have a devil of a time getting away from reading what I meant to write, as opposed to what I actually put down on paper (or electrons).  I usually cannot edit effectively until 3+ months after I wrote.

True, though this isn't my own stuff.

In proofreading my fan book found loads of sillies, but generally a few months after writing those sections, so you do need to allow your memory to reset to a degree, so that you read what's there instead of what you thought you wrote. In the case of the fan book, given that it has been written over more than two years, sometimes unintended contradictions get in. It has been complicated a little by more canonical information becoming available over time in published and unpublished sources, and requiring adjustments.

The current exercise is about as complicated as the proofreading of the Guide to Glorantha, which should provide a clue of what it is... 

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Cataphract's horse drawn - next the rider...

To save space, the rider will be standing beside his horse, holding the reins. Wanted to show in more detail the sort of horned saddle heavy cavalry used prior to the introduction of stirrups.

Finished the second pass through about 700 pages a few days ago. Taking time off to do some sketching.

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