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On November 10, 2017 at 2:04 AM, Jon Hunter said:

Are there part of Glorantha that you never use as either you don't like them or you don't understand?

With me ducks never get a mention in games, i have not un-invented them and don't deny them. They just don't appear.

Also Mostali never get used, just because i cant work our how to play them well or involve them in a campaign. 

anyone else?

Jon:

Years ago my circle of RuneQuest players and I jointly and severally ran a cooperative campaign in Balazar, the Elder Wilds and the blank lands of Garsting and Jarst. One player/referee named Dave placed an isolated "Shangri-La" for Ducks in the Nand Valley along the lower Seronde River and called it the Republic of Canardia. Many an evening of silliness and deep frustration was spent arguing and negotiating with the "Founding Feathers" of this quarrelsome and absurd republic in order to repeatedly secure transit rights and safe passage to supply a player established community further upriver called Fort Yrmma. I still twinge and get unsettled thinking about it almost forty years later and I still haven't forgiven Dave for doing that to us! 

Cheers.

Evilroddy.

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I don't really ignore anything written for Glorantha. If I were setting up a Gloranthan campaign I would be basing it in a part of the world I already know, which is mainly the Dragon Pass area, but that isn't because I dislike/disagree/hate/ignore the rest of the world. I don't have any problems with ducks, although I tend to portray them with only slight bits of humor. If I were a PC in a group where the GM used a Donald Duck voice and flapped his arms like wings while playing an NPC duck I probably wouldn't enjoy it. When we played through our Griffin Mountain campaign in the early 80s I had no problems with Jack O'Bears. They seemed no more or less silly than a number of creatures I had encountered in previous D&D games only a few years before (including Bugbears, which Jack O'Bears are based on). I like Dragonewts for a number of reasons and am happy to have them as NPCs because they specifically are unpredictable and I enjoy the speculation as to why they do things the way they do. I don't mind if people play the Lunars as X or Y, especially if I am playing in a one-shot scenario. I've enjoyed playing them as "The Romans in Life of Brian", playing them as Soviets more akin to the Hunt for Red October, (Hunt for Red Storm Season freeform) and also as they are in the Guide to Glorantha,, which is how I would probably use them in a campaign. All that said, I expect everybody to drop some aspects of Glorantha. There's SO MUCH written about Glorantha how could you agree with or like absolutely all of it. I'm not a personal fan of the Juggernaut (big rolling wheel) but all I do is just think "It's far away", not "erase it from the histories". Lastly, I don't play Morokanth as vegetarians (although I appreciate the humor of it) because to me it means they DID cheat in the contest. I'd prefer not to know if they cheated. I prefer the sense of the unknown surrounding it. I'm actually one of those irritating types that loved sitting in an "Ask Greg" seminar at a convention and was happy when he would answer with "I don't know" or "I haven't decided". I don't want to know what Charg is like while under the Ban, or who really won between Arkat/Gbaji, etc. I love Glorantha because of the ambiguity and the wide sweeping weirdness it contains. 

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Most of it. The setting is like Forgotten Realms in how thoroughly overdeveloped it is. Also, a good half of all Glorantha related publications are dry, self important nonsense that do the setting and its fans no service. 

I use the general themes and pick and choose from the mountain of garbage all the stuff I like. I had hoped that the new version of Runequest would come hand in hand with a new way of looking at Glorantha. I would have liked to have seen the noose loosened and we could have seen something like the 13th Age Vaporware project's core ideas applied across the board. I would have liked to have seen different interpretations of the setting, varied takes, ACTUAL FUN, etc...but instead we got yet another pseudoanthropological folklore nerd fanwank aimed at old diehard fans that does not appeal to anyone outside this echo chamber.

Related: I have pretty much given up on Runequest. I still like Mythras, and will continue to use it now and again. I run "Glorantha" games using DCC now.

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I ignore the gonzo stuff, because while I detest the overly self important attitude taken by some, I also prefer to run my games with a serious tone (which admittedly sounds self important...)

Other than that, I try to stay close to Glorantha as written because I like the challenge and novelty of portraying different cultures. I do tend to elide stuff like "Loko Moko", which just makes players laugh and robs the moment of any gravity.

 

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15 hours ago, tedopon said:

Most of it....

I use the general themes and pick and choose from the mountain of garbage all the stuff I like...

<heh>  Yeah.  I'm envisioning a Glorantha campaign -- any mechanics -- that features as much as 20% of the Gloranthan canon.  The mind boggles... so, I think, would any group of players I've ever met (boggle, that is).

15 hours ago, tedopon said:

... something like the 13th Age Vaporware project's core ideas ...

N.B. the term "Vaporware" is a bit ambiguous, maybe even offensive.  While some consider it "announced but not yet released" others take it as "... will NEVER get released."

It's pretty clear that 13G in fact will be released... although the project appears to be behind schedule?

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3 hours ago, g33k said:

N.B. the term "Vaporware" is a bit ambiguous, maybe even offensive.  While some consider it "announced but not yet released" others take it as "... will NEVER get released."

It's pretty clear that 13G in fact will be released... although the project appears to be behind schedule?

Yes, it is technically still in production. Three years behind schedule.

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26 minutes ago, tedopon said:

Yes, it is technically still in production. Three years behind schedule.

The expected delivery date was July 2015.

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9 minutes ago, jongjom said:

The expected delivery date was July 2015. 

...and there is literally no way it will ship by July 2018. I think it's even overly optimistic to say it will be at printers by then.

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4 hours ago, g33k said:

N.B. the term "Vaporware" is a bit ambiguous, maybe even offensive.

I'd say it verges to the latter given that I, and every other backer, have the full text pdf.  Yes, we all want to have the final published version out the door, but doesn't make it "vaporware".

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3 hours ago, tedopon said:

...and there is literally no way it will ship by July 2018. I think it's even overly optimistic to say it will be at printers by then.

My guess it will be close to 3 years and done.

The last 13thAge Glorantha update indicated about 75% of the layout had been done. So at the current rate the PDF should hopefully be done and available in a couple of months. Then one month or so to Crowd Source any typos, and then about 3 months for printing / shipping. 

 

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I meant no offense by using the term vaporware.

I fully expect the product to be delivered at some point. 

I am just fatigued by the kickstarter phenomenon of continually stretching timelines. I would honestly prefer to back products in the future that had a realistic date where I could possibly be surprised when it arrives early. I am lucky and haven't been burned yet. I have received everything I've backed. Always late, and each project is delivered further out from the projection. I would just prefer project designers would step back from their enthusiasm and make some realistic proposals. The trend over the last few years does not bode well for the production model's future IMO.

For the record, I did not back 13th Age Glorantha, but it looks rad.

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3 hours ago, tedopon said:

I am just fatigued by the kickstarter phenomenon of continually stretching timelines.

Quite agree with you there.  Much as stretch goals are nice and add to the value of the final product, many people running kickstarters seriously underestimate the impact of those on delivery.  And I'm happy that RQG will not be kickstarted.

3 hours ago, tedopon said:

For the record, I did not back 13th Age Glorantha, but it looks rad.

There's really a lot of cool ideas in it from the use of runes, to ideas for rune magics, to heroquesting in the Argrath era, to scenario ideas that I plan to leverage in RQG.

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7 hours ago, jajagappa said:

I'd say it verges to the latter given that I, and every other backer, have the full text pdf.  Yes, we all want to have the final published version out the door, but doesn't make it "vaporware".

The thing is, the word is made-up and relatively-recent.  There are different definitions;

One definition is "announced but not yet released," by which standard 13G certainly IS "vaporware" (I do not count a non-final draft in PDF-only released only to KS-backers as "delivery," particularly when so many folks backed for hardcopy).  Fair call.  Were I a backer, I'd be pretty pissed right now, though I'd still be looking forward to the product in full expectation of eventual arrival.

I only wanted to point out that OTHER definition -- which may be the working or main (or even only) definition for some readers! -- by which light, @tedopon had just accused Rob Heinsoo & everyone in that KS to be cheating the backers.   :(   I was pretty sure (and he confirmed above) that was *NOT* his intent; but for those who read "vaporware" to mean "eternally non-shipping" I thought the use in play should be clarified.

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I mostly ignored ducks and if I didn't, I definitely used the name Durulz and a visual that is more akin to the one we saw in Hero Wars rather than the Daffy Duck analogue. Another option could have been  the barbarian Platypus that is floating around on the web (less the tail). Just search for barbarian platypus on Google.

I mostly played Glorantha in RQ3 so my Glorantha was more down to earth and grittier, very much focused on politico-religious conflicts and searches for ancient mysteries. Magic was less gonzo (no Wind Lords were flying around) and there were no focus at all on the metaphysical.

EDIT I should have added that my Uz are less big hungry savages and more big hungry creature of darkness. Secretive, patient, a bit more sophisticated, scary...

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On 11/12/2017 at 5:00 AM, DreadDomain said:

I mostly ignored ducks and if I didn't, I definitely used the name Durulz and a visual that is more akin to the one we saw in Hero Wars rather than the Daffy Duck analogue. Another option could have been  the barbarian Platypus that is floating around on the web (less the tail). Just search for barbarian platypus on Google.

IMG Durulz are some form of bird-like dinosaur. The recently discovered Halszkaraptor would probably be similar.

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I don’t really get the complaint that Glorantha is over developed. Maybe I have overdeveloped “ignore things I don’t like or care about” muscles.

but there’s tons of stuff all over the most well known maps of Dragon Pass and Prax I know extremely little it nothing about. The ruins in the Dead Place? Monkey Ruins? Pimper’s Block? Tada’s High Tumulus? There are named spots all over the place That are complete mysteries to me. Personally I’ve run a campaign in Karse and made mine up from whole cloth. There are versions on the net, but none of them canonical.  There are vast swathes of history and background detail that are undefined. And if it turns out they are defined differently somewhere? Well, my game varies.

Simon Hibbs

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