MiG’s Alive!

[David Scott]

13 hours ago, Rick Meints said:

Wyrm’s Claw:16

@Rick Meints, do you actually have copies of this - allegedly 16 issues? 

[David Scott]

I’ve put this here for reference

The Meints Index to Glorantha was called that because the Acronym of it (MiG) was something I liked. Calling it the Meints Index to Glorantha and Runequest seemed kind of blah. Of course, 20 years on, I really feel I should have called it the Meints Index to RuneQuest and Gloranthan Ephemera, which would have had the acronym of MIRAGE.... (maybe not)

Anyway, a Mig 3rd edition is something I have long pondered doing. I certainly have a lot to add from 1999-present. Over the years I've even managed to track down things I missed from the 1970s and 80s as well. It's just down to finding the time. Anyway, here's the collector's checklist from Mig2:

• Advanced RuneQuest (GW book)
• A Rough Guide to Boldhome
• A Rough Guide to Glamour
• Adventurer Sheets - Human
• Adventurer Sheets - Non-human
• Apple Lane (3 editions)
• Balastor’s Barracks
• Behind the Masque
• Best of  Tales of the Reaching Moon
• Big Rubble 
• Borderlands
• The Broken Council Guidebook
• Broken Tree Inn
• Children of Entropy
• Children of the Red Goddess
• City of Lei Tabor
• The Collected Griselda
• Convulsion 92 Programme Book
• Convulsion 94 Programme Book
• Convulsion 3D Programme Book
• C4 Anthology
• Cults of Light and Death
• Cults of Prax (2 editions)
• Cults of Terror
• Dara Happan Book of Emperors
• Daughters of Darkness
• Dorastor: Land of Doom
• Dragon Pass (2 editions)
• Dragon Pass Conventions for PE
• Duck Pond
• Duck Tower and Other Tales
• Eldarad the Lost City
• Elder Secrets
• Entekosiad
• The Fall of Boldhome
• Foes
• Fortunate Succession
• Gateway Bestiary
• Glorantha Con IV Compendium
• Glorantha: Genertela CotHW
• Gloranthan Bestiary
• The Glorious Reascent of Yelm
• Gods of Glorantha
• Greatest Tournament in the World
• Griffin Island
• Griffin Island (GW book)
• Griffin Mountain
• The Haunted Ruins
• Hell Pits of Nightfang
• Heroes of Wisdom
• Into the Troll Realms
• Judges Guild GM’s Shield
• King of Sartar
• Land of Ninja
• Land of Ninja (GW book)
• Lords of Terror
• Militia & Mercenaries
• Missing Lands
• Monster Coliseum
• Nomad Gods
• Pavis
• Player’s Edition
• Plunder
• Proceedings in Malkionism
• Questlines
• Questlines II
• Questworld
• River of Cradles
• RQ Con Compendium
• RQ Con 2 Compendium
• RQ Deluxe Edition Box
• RQ Deluxe Edition perfectbound
• RQ: Gamemaster’s Box
• RQ: Player’s Box
• RuneMasters
• RuneQuest 1st ed.
• RuneQuest 2nd ed. 
• RuneQuest 2nd ed. hardcover
• Runequest 3rd ed. (GW book)
• RuneQuest Cities
• RuneQuest Companion
• RuneQuest Monsters (GW book)
• Scorpion Hall: SQ2
• Scorpionmen & Broos
• Shadows on the Borderland
• Snake Pipe Hollow (4 editions)
• Snow King’s Bride: SQ3
• SoloQuest: SQ1
• Strangers in Prax
• Sun County
• Tarsh War
• Thieves’  World
• Thieves’  World Companion
• Troll Gods (boxed)
• TrollPak (RQ2)
• Trollpak (RQ3)
• Trolls and Trollkin
• Univ. of Sog City Conf. Guide
• Vikings
• White Bear & Red Moon (3 ed.)
• Wyrm’s Footprints
• Ye Booke of Tentacles

List of Magazines

Magazines are where completists eventually face their doom. This list is by no means complete. If I, or one of my co-conspirators, do not own the issue it probably is not listed. Please let me know what I’m missing and your selling price. Foreign language magazines are not included.

• Adventurer: 1, 4, 7, 9, 11
• Alarums & Excursions: 46, 48, 54, 56, 61, 65 ( incomplete list) 
• Book of Drastic Resolutions:  1-3
• Breakout: 34
• Codex:  1-3
• Dark Realm:  1, 3
• Different  Worlds: 1-19, 21, 22, 24, 26-33, 35-38, 40, 41, 43-46
• Dragon: 51, 129, 132, 144, 172, 206
• Dragon Lords:  13
• Dungeoneer: 10-12, 14, 15, 17
• The Dungeoneer’s Journal: 23, 25
• Enclosure: 1-2*
• Fantasy Chronicles: 3-9
• Gryphon: 1, 2
• Heroes:  Vol. 1, #1-8 and Vol. 2, #1-4
• Miser’s Hoard: 3
• Multiverse: 4-5
• New Lolon Gospel: Vol. I & II
• Pavic Tales: 1-9
• Pegasus: 2-4, 8
• Read Pheasant Throughout: 1-2
• RuneQuest Adventures: 1-6
• Spacegamer: 85, and   Vol. 2, #2
• Tales of the Reaching Moon: 1-20
• Tortured Souls: 3, 4, 6, 8
• Tradetalk: 1-16
• Valkyre:  5-8
• ViP of Gaming:  4-5
• Wargaming: 3
• The  Wild Hunt: 38-48, 50, 52, 53, 55, 57, 156, 162* (list incomplete)
• White Dwarf: 17, 19, 29-65, 67, 69, 71, 74, 75, 85, 88, 90, 92, 94, 96, 98, 101
• White Wolf: 15, 16, 18, 20, 22, 41
• Wyrm’s Claw:  16
• Wyrm’s Footnotes: 1-14

Edited February 3, 2018 by Rick Meints

[Rick Meints]

8 hours ago, David Scott said:

@Rick Meints, do you actually have copies of this - allegedly 16 issues? 

The above reference was just for Issue 16. If there was RQ/Gloranthan stuff in every issue it would have been listed as 1-16, not just "16".

I do not have issues 1-16 in my collection. Sometimes I relied on someone else sending me a copy of the article, or similar. I don't exactly remember right now how I found out about issue 16 of Wyrm's Claw. I could look around the shelves.

[Rick Meints]

One of the reasons doing an updated MiG is the simple fact that Mongoose was prolific when they had the license:

Item #       System     Description

• 8100          MRQ         Runequest Deluxe
• 8101          MRQ         Glorantha: The Second Age
• 8102          MRQ         Game Master’s Screen
• 8103          MRQ         Monsters
• 8104          MRQ         Companion
• 8105          MRQ         Cults of Glorantha: Volume 1
• 8106          MRQ         Legendary Heroes
• 8107          MRQ         Magic of Glorantha
• 8108          MRQ         Arms & Equipment
• 8109          MRQ         Player’s Guide to Glorantha
• 8110          MRQ         Fritz Lieber’s Lankhmar
• 8111          MRQ         Rune of Chaos
• 8112          MRQ         Trolls: A Guide to the UZ
• 8113          MRQ         Lankhmar: Nehwon
• 8114          MRQ         Lankhmar: Swords Against Sorcery
• 8115          MRQ         The Clanking City
• 8116          MRQ         Elric of Melnibone
• 8117          MRQ         ???
• 8118          MRQ         ???
• 8119          MRQ         Hawkmoon: The Roleplaying Game
• 8120          MRQ         Cults of Glorantha: Volume 2
• 8121          MRQ         Hawkmoon: Granbretan
• 8122          MRQ         ???
• 8123          MRQ         Jrustela
• 8124          MRQ         Dragonewts: A Guide to the Eravssarr
• 8125          MRQ         Deus Vult: Shadow Societies
• 8126          MRQ         Deus Vult: Sanctuaries
• 8127          MRQ        Deus Vult: Rouen
• 8128          MRQ         Blood of Orlanth
• 8129          MRQ         Dara Happa Stirs
• 8130          MRQ         Elfs: A Guide to the Aldryami
• 8131          MRQ         Hawkmoon: Hunters of Granbretan
• 8132          MRQ         ???
• 8133          MRQ         ???
• 8134          MRQ         Game Master’s Handbook
• 8135          MRQ         Monsters II
• 8136          MRQ         ???
• 8137          MRQ         Land of the Samurai
• 8138          MRQ         Spellbook
• 8139          MRQ         Runequest Character Pack (PDF only)
• 8140          MRQ         Elric:  Bright Shadows
• 8141          MRQ         Pirates
• 8142          MRQ         Slaine
• 8143          MRQ         Runequest, Deluxe Edition (8100, 03 and 04)
• 8144          MRQ         Hawkmoon: Secrets of Tragic Europe
• 8145          MRQ         Hawkmoon:  Castle Brass
• 8146          MRQ         Elric: Magic of the Young Kingdoms
• 8147          MRQ         ???
• 8148          MRQ         Dwarfs: Guide to the Mostali
• 8149          MRQ         Ruins of Glorantha
• 8150          MRQ         Elric of Melnibone Companion
• 8151          MRQ         Elric: Cults of the Young Kingdoms
• 8152          MRQ         ???
• 8153          MRQ         ???
• 8154          MRQ         Elric: Dream Realms
• 8155          MRQ         Fronela
• 8156          MRQ         Ducks: Guide to the Durulz
• 8157          MRQ         Empires
• 8158          MRQ         RuneQuest (Pocket Deluxe Edition)
• 8159          MRQ         Glorantha: The Second Age: Ralios
• 8160          MRQ         Guilds, Factions & Cults
• 8161          MRQ         Price of Honour
• 8162          MRQ         ???
• 8163          MRQ         Elric De Melnibone (French)
• 8164          MRQ         ???
• 8165          MRQ2       Lankhmar Unleashed
• 8166
• 8167          MRQ2       Elric: L’ombre du Glorieux Empire
• 8168          MRQ2       Elric: La Magie Des Jeunes Royames
• 8169          MRQ2       Hawkmoon (French)
• 8170          MRQ2       RQ2 Core Rulebook
• 8172          MRQ2       Pavis Rises
• 8173          MRQ2       Game Master’s Screen
• 8175          MRQ2       Cults of Glorantha
• 8176          MRQ2       Races of Glorantha Volume 1
• 8177          MRQ2       Arms & Equipment
• 8178          MRQ2       Monster Coliseum
• 8180          MRQ2       Glorantha: the Second Age
• 8181          MRQ2       Livre De Regles
• 8182          MRQ2       Necromantic Arts
• 8183          MRQ2       ???
• 8184          MRQ2       Empires
• 8185          MRQ2       Deus Vult
• 8187          MRQ2       Ecran Du Maitre De Jeu
• 8188          MRQ2       Deus Vult: Ex Cathedra
• 8191          MRQ2       The Abiding Book (HC and limited)
• 8192          MRQ2       Arene Des Monstres Vol I
• 8193          MRQ2       Arene Des Monstres Vol II
• 8195          MRQ2       Le Deuxieme Age Vol I
• 8196          MRQ2       Elric of Melnibone
• 8197          MRQ2       Elric: Game Master’s Screen
• 8198          MRQ2       Compendium Volume 1
• 8199          MRQ2       Vikings
• 8200          MRQ2       Deus Vult Livre De Regles
• 8201          MRQ2       Elric: Cults of the Young Kingdoms
• 8202          MRQ2       Le Deuxieme Age Vol II
• 8203          MRQ2       Deus Vult Ex Cathedra
• 8204          MRQ2       Armes Et Equipments
• 8210          MRQ2       Elric:  Cities of the Young Kingdoms: The South
• 8211          MRQ2       L’Art De La Necromancie (French)
• 8212          MRQ2       RQ2 Compendium Vol 1 (French)

The stuff listed in bold = stuff I don't currently own. If you know the specific product that was published for some of the above product numbers followed by ???, please let me know.

Edited February 3, 2018 by Rick Meints
found more prod numbers

[hkokko]

Some of the bolded ones I think I still saw at Fantasiapelit store in Helsinki couple of weeks ago. Fantasiapelit.fi 

[David Scott]

I have 8128 - Glorantha, Blood of Orlanth for MRQ2 a PDF that I downloaded free from the Mongoose site at some point, include was an art & maps folder and another adventure - A River Runs Up It also by Bruce L. Mason

 

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SECOND EDITION NOTES

Blood of Orlanth

Revised for RuneQuest II

This edition is available free from Mongoose Publishing’s website. It contains no artwork or maps and has been laid-out and edited by the author, Bruce Mason. All mistakes are the responsibility of the author.

 

 

[David Scott]

I've a couple of other RQ PDF products from other publishers - 

owc1020 - Danger in the City of Immer

owc1022 - The Lost City of Jershon

SGRS954 - Rune Sources - The Collected Character

I suspect these products are of dubious legality as they are based on the Open Gaming Content that Mongoose released into the public domain.

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Danger in the City of Immer

A Diomin Adventure for the RuneQuest Main Rulebook

Written by:

Chad Justice and R. Hyrum Savage

Edited by: R. Hyrum Savage

Layout: R. Hyrum Savage

Published by: 2640 O'Brien Place Escondido, CA 92027 www.otherworlds.cx

Danger in the City of Immer is ©2006, OtherWorld Creations
The OtherWorld Creations and Diomin logos, are a trademarks of R. Hyrum Savage. All rights reserved. Published Under the OGL License ©2000, Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

“RuneQuest (TM)” and the RuneQuest logo are Trademarks owned by Issaries, Inc. and are used according to the terms of the RuneQuest logo Licence version 1.0. A copy of this licence can be obtained from Mongoose Publishing. The mention or reference to any company or product in these pages is not a challenge to the trademark or copyright concerned.

Open Content is clearly indicated by being placed on a grey background. See page 33 for more information.

 

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The Lost City of Jershon

By: R. Hyrum Savage

Art: Kieran Yanner, Derek M. Foster, Joe Walton, Ash Jackson, and Derek Stevens

Produced By: OtherWorld Creations www.otherworlds.cx

The Lost City of Jershon ©2006 OtherWorld Creations.

The OtherWorld Creations logo is a Trademark of OtherWorld Creations
All rights reserved.

Published Under the OGL License ©2000, Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

“RuneQuest (TM)” and the RuneQuest logo are Trademarks owned by Issaries, Inc. and are used according to the terms of the RuneQuest logo Licence version 1.0. A copy of this licence can be obtained from Mongoose Publishing. The mention or reference to any company or product in these pages is not a challenge to the trademark or copyright concerned.

See the last page for Product Identity and Open Gaming content.

 

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Rune Sources - The Collected Character

Credits Author/Concept - Tim Bancroft

Cover Design - Halfbat

Illustrations - Miguel Santos

Open Game License

This product is produced under the Open Gaming Li- cense a copy of which is enclosed. The entries or sections of this product identified as Open Gaming Content (OGC) are specifically marked as such within each entry or section.

RuneQuestTM and the RuneQuest logo are Trademarks owned by Issaries, Inc. and are used according to the terms of the RuneQuest Logo Licence version 1.0. A copy of this licence can be obtained from Mongoose Publishing. The mention or reference to any company or product in these pages is not a challenge to the trademark or copyright concerned.

Requires the use of the RuneQuestTM Main Rulebook, available from Mongoose Publishing

Rune Sources: The Collected Character eBook ISBN 978-1-906130-06-0

Published by Sceaptune Games, PO Box 63, Tidworth, SP9 7ZX. http://www.sceaptunegames.co.uk/

Rune Sources: The Collected Character © 2007 Sceaptune Games. All rights reserved. Reproduction of this work by any means without the written permission of the publisher is expressly forbidden. All significant characters, names, places, items, art and text herein are copyright Sceaptune Games.
This material is protected under the copyright laws of the United Kingdom. This product is a work of fiction. Any similarity to actual people, places, organisations and events is purely coincidental.

 

 

[Rick Meints]

21 hours ago, David Scott said:

I have 8128 - Glorantha, Blood of Orlanth for MRQ2 a PDF that I downloaded free from the Mongoose site at some point, include was an art & maps folder and another adventure - A River Runs Up It also by Bruce L. Mason

My mistake on that one. I have the book, but I had it listed as 8127. I have updated it to 8128, and also added in 8127 as ??? (unknown)

[Rick Meints]

21 hours ago, David Scott said:

I suspect these products are of dubious legality as they are based on the Open Gaming Content that Mongoose released into the public domain.

Mongoose's license did not permit them to do Open Gaming Content. Once they did it in violation of their license, it's not something anyone could wave a magic wand over and make disappear, as if it had never existed.

[Richard S.]

1 hour ago, Rick Meints said:

Mongoose's license did not permit them to do Open Gaming Content. Once they did it in violation of their license, it's not something anyone could wave a magic wand over and make disappear, as if it had never existed.

Wait, so Mongoose wasn't allowed to release MRQ1 as OGL content?

[g33k]

9 hours ago, Richard S. said:

Wait, so Mongoose wasn't allowed to release MRQ1 as OGL content?

Remember, most "game publishers" are ordinary gamer-geeks on a slightly-more-ambitious scale.

Unless someone has knowledge to the contrary, I tend to go with Heinlein's old maxim, "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity."

 

[soltakss]

18 hours ago, Rick Meints said:

Mongoose's license did not permit them to do Open Gaming Content. Once they did it in violation of their license, it's not something anyone could wave a magic wand over and make disappear, as if it had never existed.

In my opinion, opening up d100 gaming via the OGL was the best thing that happened to the RuneQuest family.

[g33k]

4 hours ago, soltakss said:

In my opinion, opening up d100 gaming via the OGL was the best thing that happened to the RuneQuest family.

Overall, I agree.

It just should have been done the right way, not via the RQ title or including any Glorantha content...

[Rick Meints]

On 2/2/2018 at 2:12 PM, Richard S. said:

Wait, so Mongoose wasn't allowed to release MRQ1 as OGL content?

They were specifically not allowed to license or sublicense anyone to make RuneQuest or Gloranthan products without prior written approval. 

Edited February 3, 2018 by Rick Meints
grammar

[g33k]

8 hours ago, Rick Meints said:

They were specifically not allowed to license or sublicense anyone to make RuneQuest or Gloranthan products without prior written approval. 

Wow... so if it was "mere" stupidity. it was a pretty intense level of stupid.

[jongjom]

33 minutes ago, g33k said:

Wow... so if it was "mere" stupidity. it was a pretty intense level of stupid.

Mongoose. Intense stupidity. Heinlein's old maxim remains intact. 

[Mankcam]

So where does that leave the game lines that used the OGL  create their own versions of BRP  (ie OQ, Renaissance, RD100, Mythras, etc)?

Edited February 4, 2018 by Mankcam

[lawrence.whitaker]

4 hours ago, Mankcam said:

So where does that leave the game lines that used the OGL  create their own versions of BRP  (ie OQ, Renaissance, RD100, Mythras, etc)?

Just to clarify, Mythras isn't, and never has been, reliant on the Mongoose OGL.

[Rick Meints]

12 minutes ago, lawrence.whitaker said:

Just to clarify, Mythras isn't, and never has been, reliant on the Mongoose OGL.

That is 100% correct. I want to leave no doubt in anyone's mind.

[Rick Meints]

4 hours ago, Mankcam said:

So where does that leave the game lines that used the OGL to create their own versions of BRP  (ie OQ, Renaissance, RD100, Mythras, etc)?

I don't know if this answers your question, but I think it is worth stating that we recently reviewed all the products using the RuneQuest trademark and contacted those companies/individuals. We provided them with options for obtaining a new license to continue using the trademark along with the option to merely remove references to it.

[TheHistorian]

Rick,

I have all of the (English language) Mongoose stuff, so I can fill in a bunch of stuff for you:

8113, 8135, 8151, 8154, 8158, 8165, 8184, 8185, 8188, 8196, 8197, 8201, 8210 - Confirmed, I have all of them

8114 - Confirmed, but was a pdf only

all of your ???s are skipped numbers (or could be foreign editions, I guess)

8125, 8126, 8127, 8203 - Deus Vult material that doesn't exist for those product numbers. 8203 see 8188. 8125-8127 didn't exist until the Legend era.

 

There are other bits and pieces. Unnumbered items, items produced by other companies for MRQ/MRQII, etc. If you ever get serious about a MiG update, let me know.

[Al.]

On 2/4/2018 at 7:38 AM, g33k said:

Wow... so if it was "mere" stupidity. it was a pretty intense level of stupid.

Now, I am not a fan of Mongoose nor an apologist for them.

But I can see that might have been an innocent (albeit daft) mistake. Their model did (maybe still does) rely on churning out a huge number of books each month, often without proper proofreading. In that high turnover environment, it might be possible to be working on the default setting for their other work and just not realising or checking that this one property is licensed on different lines.

[g33k]

27 minutes ago, Al. said:

Now, I am not a fan of Mongoose nor an apologist for them.

But I can see that might have been an innocent (albeit daft) mistake. Their model did (maybe still does) rely on churning out a huge number of books each month, often without proper proofreading. In that high turnover environment, it might be possible to be working on the default setting for their other work and just not realising or checking that this one property is licensed on different lines.

If you are working on a licensed setting -- as opposed to one bought outright, or developed in-house -- then you MUST abide by the terms of the license.  You can say it " might have been an innocent (albeit daft) mistake" and I can agree with that phrasing; I don't find it incompatible with my own "it was 'mere' stupidity, it was a pretty intense level of stupid."

I just see yours as a somewhat-more-polite version of mine.     

[jean]

12 hours ago, TheHistorian said:

 

I found some more products

8307 MRQ2 The Hoffman Legacy (for Deus Vult)

I think it was pdf only

 

Some products were sold as MRQ2 but Legend compatible

6195 MRQ2 Age Of Treason : The Iron Simulacrum

8316 MRQ2 Age Of Treason : The Iron Companion

20100 Wraith Recon

20102 Wraith Recon Spellcom

 

Jean

 

 

[Rick Meints]

All,

The Mongoose license was terminated by Issaries Inc. The license terms were clear. I don't see much point in trying to speculate on why they did or didn't do things.

I'd much rather spend that time on finding things to add to the MiG new edition.
Moving swiftly on to that, if you are interested in helping me, here are a few things to note about suggesting things to add:

• While I am happy to list foreign language products on a bullet list or checklist, I can't read and evaluate them, so I tend to not include them beyond that.
• I prioritize printed things over web-only or PDF-only things. I only have so much time. I mean no disrespect, and make no judgements.
• I'm not into listing knick-knacks, t-shirts, mugs, or other similar things. I tend to refer to these as "spirit items".
• I'm not really into including unique items that were not made for general sale or distribution. 
• If you have a copy of MiG1 or MiG2 you pretty much know how I intend to approach the next edition.

Edited February 6, 2018 by Rick Meints