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It is true Kyger Litor is referred to constantly as a goddess, but Troll Gods page 78 indicates all troll deities are seen as spirits and they are worshiped through shamans, though this may be misapplied worship for some. If Kyger Litor is indeed a spirit, she may be in fact a Dehori.  The Dehore section in Troll Gods also mentions that of all his children, the Dehori are especially intelligent and powerful. Perhaps Dehore also has many other, lesser children, and they may be "regular" Darkness Spirits/Shades.  I see some evidence that Sinjota the Guardian is a Dehori, as are Yomat and Yostal, both children of Eurmal and Sinjota. 

 

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2 hours ago, Animal Nomad said:

I see in GtG that Kyger Litor possesses the Spirit, Man, and Darkness Runes, and I also see notes that suggest all Darkness Spirits are Dehori.  Does this make Kyger Litor a Dehori, or does the presence of the Man Rune squash this?

 

 

It really depends on your point of reference. 

A typical priestess of Kyger Litor will tell you that Kyger Litor is the sum of Living Uz and their various Ancestor Spirits. Dehori are the elemental fragments of shattered Dehore. Obviously different, and easily distinguished one from the other. Between those two categories you will find the "orlanthi all" of easily-contacted and useful darkness spirits.

The remaining spirits are more difficult to deal with, not having clearly established rules of engagement/etc. They are either left alone, or negotiated with individually by a shaman if that particular shaman feels some need to do so. They are better than non-darkness spirits, of course, but still generally more trouble than they are worth. The most powerful and useful of those spirits are worshipped as Gods (Zorak Zoran, Xiola Umbar, Argan Argar) in their own right. 

The division is not foolproof, though, as certain Dehori have at times been adopted as Uz, and occasionally founded lines of descent of their own, becoming both ancestors and dehori. 

A human is unlikely to draw or benefit from such fine distinctions, and could happily include any darkness spirit or deity at all in the single convenient category "dehori" without losing any sleep about it, or suffering in any meaningful way for doing so.

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3 hours ago, boztakang said:

A typical priestess of Kyger Litor will tell you that Kyger Litor is the sum of Living Uz and their various Ancestor Spirits. Dehori are the elemental fragments of shattered Dehore

Mighty Boz, was there ever a time or tribe in your hearing when the trolls had not yet been introduced to or had "forgotten" the dehori?

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On 7/24/2018 at 5:18 PM, scott-martin said:

Mighty Boz, was there ever a time or tribe in your hearing when the trolls had not yet been introduced to or had "forgotten" the dehori?

In Wonderhome, nobody really cared too much about such distinctions, so there could be some confusion there. On the other hand, the genealogy is pretty far separated (see p77 in the Glorantha Sourcebook) with Uz coming down from KL, through Dame Darkness, and Dehori from Dehore through FatherOfDemons/MotherOfSpace. I can't think of a ritual or remembrance available to mortals wherein it would seem strange to encounter Dehori, or recognize them as different from Uz.

Since the exodus, darkness elementals are common enough that to "forget" them would seem strange, and the divisions of the world are sufficiently "set" that it would be equally odd to mistake them as kin...

But all things are possible in Darkness and there could always be an isolated Clan or Tribe somewhere that believes differently.

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Then there are the likes of Ezkankekko, the Only Old One, who can take the shape of a human, a troll, or a dehori. True beings of Darkness, but no longer either of these shapes, even if they had been born to one of those shapes. They are also known as Kitori.

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54 minutes ago, boztakang said:

the genealogy is pretty far separated

Thank you. This is the part that suddenly intrigues me . . . the idea of multiple irruptions from the Underworld, some of which are obviously trollish in retrospect, others that take time to resolve into a troll-centric narrative. I don't know if the Western outposts encountered the "troll" side of the family in their formative years, for example, or had to extrapolate from early experiences with the children of Dehore when they eventually met Darkness that walks like Man.

Krjalki, dehori, uz, digijelm, hollri, blue moonies, the shades who emerged in Ignorance, cave trolls, sea trolls, hot trolls, midget slashers, tusk riders  . . . at the Dawn, these were all just a few of the predators that lurked in the night. History has brought some into the "family" to varying degrees, others not so much. The Dark may well have had messengers and missionaries too, identifying the kinship of the good darks and denying others as tainted with something called chaos.

So if we can say conclusively that here is a moment when an outsider realized that the dark tribes occupying the verges of the central "barbarian belt" worship the darks who besieged Brithos in the earliest days, it's really helpful. Or even if some tribes brought some gods up with them (XU, ZZ, AA, GKK, Qualyorni/Moorgaki, the Blue Moon and the others) and others needed to be introduced. There might've even been, uh, multiple KL cults once upon a time. Maybe that person is related to OOO or maybe we had to wait for Dark Arkat's final revelations. 

Or maybe everyone's always known why trolls and hot trolls vary.

 

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I suppose it all depends on whether you classify Dehori as any old darkness spirit or as descendants of Dehor.

If Dehori are descendants of Dehor, then Kyger Litor is not a Dehori.

If they are generic darkness spirits then she could well be called one of the Dehori.

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My sources say that Dehore is at the top of the hierarchy of the Dehori, but that genealogical connections are not very strict in the Darkness. Some beings have to be difficult to classify.

 

 

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