Simlasa Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I'm strongly in favor of Chaosium not taking on any more licenses for a while... let Mongoose eat them all and pay through the nose, BRP needs some of it's own original content... I'm not sure if CR counts as that or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Paul Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Maybe what we need is a consensus about what a 'strong' setting is? For me a strong setting is one that is detailed, well thought out, internally consistent, and that offers opportunities for adventure of both the legal and illegal kind. It has to have scope too. Being confined to just one system in a SF game isn't my bag of tea although the Jovian Chronicles made a good stab at it. If it is a Hard SF game then I want the stars to be right and for the technology to be at least plausible. Thoughts? Quote __________________ Joseph Paul "Nothing partys like a rental" explains the enduring popularity of prostitution.:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simlasa Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I don't think a 'strong' setting requires loads and loads of detail... more importantly it needs a distinct and obvious 'flavor' that pervades it... lots of obvious adventure hooks and things that grab the imagination. I've read one page descriptions that did more for me than books with hundreds of pages... Then again, what tickles one person's fancy might bore the tears out of another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I think a bigger problem is that I haven't observed people have a lot of agreement on what translates as "hard" SF in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simlasa Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I think a bigger problem is that I haven't observed people have a lot of agreement on what translates as "hard" SF in the past. yep... never gonna happen... one man's hyperspace/AI/wormhole/anti-grav is another man's pixie dust/magic wand/unicorn/bag-o-holding... that's why some people say 'firm' vs. 'hard'... though there's probably not much agreement there either. Maybe just call it all 'space opera' and just get on with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badcat Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Well, I looked at the Cthulu Rising site this morning and I have to say I am impressed, I liked it and I usually don't go for sci-fi. Maybe it should be Chaosium's go-to sci-fi setting...you could delete the Mythos and still have a very good background. The rules for missiles looked very good, and the star systems looked like a good mix for a 'diaspora' era setting. All positives, from what I could see. Would I buy it? I am honestly not sure about that, but I would be more likely to than Traveller or any of the other popular sci-fi rpgs. If it makes me consider it I'd say it might be a fairly good draw for hard core sci-fi fans. Without the Mythos, they would need a good alien bestiary/creation system, of course. Now I am thinking about statting out the Aliens and the Predators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshade Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 yep... never gonna happen... one man's hyperspace/AI/wormhole/anti-grav is another man's pixie dust/magic wand/unicorn/bag-o-holding... that's why some people say 'firm' vs. 'hard'... though there's probably not much agreement there either. Maybe just call it all 'space opera' and just get on with it... I suspect, however, that would be inadequate to satisfy Joseph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simlasa Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Some people like 'hard' sf for the flavor it brings... it tends to be gritty and kind of dark (from what I've seen). Others like it because they can 'believe' it... Where does the 'science' end and the 'fiction' start? I think the people who need it to be believable are a source of misery for themselves... it's the same tail chasing that seems to go on with weapon stats... believability vs. playability vs. believability... everyone is going to draw the line someplace different. Something like Stephenson's 'Diamond Age' setting would suit me fine... not because I thought it was particularly believable/unbelievable but because it had some cool adventure hooks and was strange/alien/exotic enough to spark my imagination. I say START with what's fun, and work backward from there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badcat Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 You know what Cthulu Rising reminded me of? Strange, but some of Andre Norton's stuff. Like the stories about scouting out new worlds. At any rate, something about it just looks right, and fun, as you say. Even with the Cthulu element. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Paul Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I suspect, however, that would be inadequate to satisfy Joseph. But you don't have to satisfy me- you only have to satisfy enough people to keep Chaosium -and BRP- a going concern. So Simlasa is detail always a bad thing? When does detail detract from the flavor? When is it stifling? If we have a fascist setting is it enough to say that it is a fascist setting? Is it to much to give details on how that society and government works? What should get detailed and what get glossed over and why? As for fun what do you, personally, think the fun stuff is? Quote __________________ Joseph Paul "Nothing partys like a rental" explains the enduring popularity of prostitution.:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Paul Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 You know what Cthulu Rising reminded me of? Strange, but some of Andre Norton's stuff. Like the stories about scouting out new worlds. At any rate, something about it just looks right, and fun, as you say. Even with the Cthulu element. Exploration could be very fun. Quote __________________ Joseph Paul "Nothing partys like a rental" explains the enduring popularity of prostitution.:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simlasa Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 But you don't have to satisfy me- you only have to satisfy enough people to keep Chaosium -and BRP- a going concern. So Simlasa is detail always a bad thing? When does detail detract from the flavor? When is it stifling? If we have a fascist setting is it enough to say that it is a fascist setting? Is it to much to give details on how that society and government works? What should get detailed and what get glossed over and why? As for fun what do you, personally, think the fun stuff is? Never said detail is bad, I like detail... it just isn't, inherently, fun... it might be fun... might not... If you want to write up a complete and lengthy treatise on the languages of your fantasy setting that's fine, but I don't think it belongs in an introduction to the setting... A basic guide to the governments, yes, especially if the characters will be involved in politics to any degree. I think the setting needs to be presented in a big picture kind of way, that hits the high points... and stresses the kind of adventures the setting was designed to encourage... My idea of the fun parts are the different cultures that might be present... and bit's of folklore/customs that reflect how the people think... detailing the really novel aspects of the setting that people might not grok right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enpeze Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 So Simlasa is detail always a bad thing? When does detail detract from the flavor? When is it stifling? If we have a fascist setting is it enough to say that it is a fascist setting? Is it to much to give details on how that society and government works? What should get detailed and what get glossed over and why? As for fun what do you, personally, think the fun stuff is? I differentiate between detail in the rules and a detailed setting. While I dont like the first, the second I welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trifletraxor Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 Just sent an email to Chaosium about CR for BRP. We'll see what they say. :cool: SGL. Quote Ef plest master, this mighty fine grub! 116/420. High Priest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottomancer Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Now I am thinking about statting out the Aliens and the Predators. I think someone has done some work on that on Shoggoth.net... Quote River of Heaven - Science Fiction Roleplaying in the 28th Century http://riverofheaven.d101games.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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