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3 hours ago, Sir_Godspeed said:

Isn't she also kinda the Pentans' women's goddess (ie. a bit like Ernalda/Eirithia/Oria, etc.)

The Pure Horse People worship Dendara as the spouse of Yu-Kargzant, probably under the name La-Ungariant, as a fairly direct equivalent to Ernalda, and worship the horse goddess under a different name (I'm not sure what). They also worship Hippoi, who is her daughter. Like among the Praxians, the Earth goddess role is understood and revered, but not of as much practical value to a non-agricultural people, and she is not connected to the Grain goddess(es) as she is in Peloria. 

The rest of the solar Pentans (the majority) I think don't worship her directly, probably for the same reasons of lineage that they don't worship Yu-Kargzant directly but worship Kargzant - their womens goddess is Eiritha and/or Hippoi, and the womens role is concerned with herds, not the Earth (or sovereignty). The Storm tribes of the Pentans probably much the same, just with different mens gods. I think the horse goddess/herd goddess still acknowledges the Earth Queen as an associated cult in ceremonies. 

At some point the Feathered Horse Queens must have essentially proved that Ernalda and Dendara are the same for the purposes of Grazer myth, and so the wife of Yu-Kargzant is the same as Ernalda is the same as the mother of Kero Fin. Which is impressive, if for other reason than the God Learners failed to prove that Ernalda and Dendara are the same. 

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14 hours ago, davecake said:

The Pure Horse People worship Dendara as the spouse of Yu-Kargzant, probably under the name La-Ungariant, as a fairly direct equivalent to Ernalda, and worship the horse goddess under a different name (I'm not sure what). They also worship Hippoi, who is her daughter. Like among the Praxians, the Earth goddess role is understood and revered, but not of as much practical value to a non-agricultural people, and she is not connected to the Grain goddess(es) as she is in Peloria. 

The rest of the solar Pentans (the majority) I think don't worship her directly, probably for the same reasons of lineage that they don't worship Yu-Kargzant directly but worship Kargzant - their womens goddess is Eiritha and/or Hippoi, and the womens role is concerned with herds, not the Earth (or sovereignty). The Storm tribes of the Pentans probably much the same, just with different mens gods. I think the horse goddess/herd goddess still acknowledges the Earth Queen as an associated cult in ceremonies. 

At some point the Feathered Horse Queens must have essentially proved that Ernalda and Dendara are the same for the purposes of Grazer myth, and so the wife of Yu-Kargzant is the same as Ernalda is the same as the mother of Kero Fin. Which is impressive, if for other reason than the God Learners failed to prove that Ernalda and Dendara are the same. 

It's interesting, because King of Sartar (on pg. 90-91) lists the gods of the Grazers and the vendref and says that their great earth goddess is Orest ("Earth Mother, who gives forth all life. The mountains are her children"), who is the mother of La-Ungariant ("First Wife of Yu-Kargzant, and goddess of the women of the people"). Orest is the one identified as Ernalda in the vendref section, saying Ernalda is "another name for Orest, except this one allows herself to be cut with plows."

On the other hand, later stuff like the RQG book's write-up on the Grazers (pg. 116) says this about the FHQ:

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The Earth goddesses have great authority in the Grazelands. The Feathered Horse Queen incarnates imposing Earth powers for her worshipers and is the embodiment of sovereignty for all Dragon Pass. She is the High Priestess of the Earth for both the Pure Horse People and the vendref, and the Shaker Temple and many other cults throughout Dragon Pass recognize her authority. Her goddess has many names: she is called Ernalda by the Orlanthi; Dendara by the Dara Happans; and La-ungariant by the Pure Horse People.

This might just be a case of old material being superceded by the new, but my personal theory is that the FHQ has taken advantage of the ambiguity of "aspect vs child/sibling" when it comes to the divine that the Earth goddesses in particular have a lot of. In other words, I suspect the FHQ succeeded where the God Learners failed because rather than try to directly prove that Ernalda = Dendara, she proved that La-Ungariant/Dendara is not merely Orest's/Ernalda's daughter but an aspect of that greater goddess, which adds enough wiggle room that the undertaking could succeed. But La-Ungariant is the name most used, because it's the one most Grazers would encounter more in their daily lives; I suspect Orest was one of those divinities that was mostly just a name to them until the FHQ came around.

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On the topic of my wild, probably-incorrect theories and speculations about gods, I've got one about the god whose death and fall to the ground triggers the Skyquake halfway through the game.

As has been noticed before on this thread, Dostal is almost certainly the god the Grazers will worship later as Dastal; not only are their names almost identical, they also have nearly identical portfolios as the gods of both hunting and with being the god who teaches boys how to be men (note that Dostal's myth is barely even about the actual hunt itself, but instead the lessons he imparts to the future chieftains of the Four Clans). However, it's not exactly the same: that same write-up on the Grazer pantheon in King of Sartar I referenced above also says that Dastal is the god of herding. Dostal, of course, has no such connotations that we can see in the game.

In Six Ages, the god who dies midway through the game is called Yestal the Herder, a minor god who "guards the boundaries between pastures;" other than the calamity his death causes, he's apparently so minor to the Riders that he never merits a mention outside of it. Which seems a little odd when you consider how important pastures and herds are to the Rider way of life (admittedly, fellow herder-god Voriof was also barely mentioned in King of Dragon Pass, but let me have this).

It seems likely that after Yestal's death, his portfolio as the god of herders was taken up by Dostal/Dastal (incidentally, note how similar those names are), but I'm willing to bet that this was a process that had already been happening for some time, and Yestal's death just finished it. Yestal was probably a god that dated back to Nivorah, while Dostal is mentioned in multiple places to have been adopted after the fall of the city. My guess here is that Yestal had a more prominent place in Nivorah and the early years of the exodus from it, perhaps even having been the god who taught Nivoran boys valuable life lessons, but that once they were out in the wilds Dostal's lessons were just more useful and applicable, so over time Yestal faded into just being a part of Elmal's entourage, a name in the crowd that nobody really worships except as collateral in big rituals honoring a bunch of gods at once.

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3 hours ago, Leingod said:

their great earth goddess is Orest ("Earth Mother, who gives forth all life. The mountains are her children")

This might well be Kero Fin rather than Ernalda, and Kero Fin is the land goddess of Kerofinela (aka Dragon Pass).  Sovereignty over Dragon Pass comes from Kero Fin, and it is through her that the FHQ gains her title of Queen of Dragon Pass.

 

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On 2/13/2021 at 3:40 PM, Leingod said:

This isn't really "lore," but I figured this bug was funny enough to be worth showing.

By chance, do you still have that save? If so, can you send it in as a bug (see https://sixages.com/index.php/resources/)? I think I know what happened but would like confirmation.

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I am very reluctant to try to equate material from Six Ages (set during the God Time), with the King of Sartar material on the Grazeland Gods (which is mostly pre-Feathered Horse Queen), and then with the current religious believes of the Grazelanders. 

The Pure Horse People of Pent and Prax worshiped Dendara (aka La-Ungariant) as the wife of Yelm (Yu-Kargzant). When they came to the Grazelands, they added Orest as the Land Goddess. When the Pure Horse People starting fighting with the Orlanth-worshiping farmers AND with the Earth Priestesses, the Feathered Horse Queen went down into the womb of the earth and came back with Ernalda, not Dendara. The goddess of the Pure Horse People (possibly still called La-Ungariant) is not to dutiful wife of Yelm, but the proud and independent Earth Queen who takes her husbands and lovers as she wills. The Yelm cult protests - and the Feathered Horse Queen beat them down and forced them into abject submission. She rules, not them.

As a result, by the Hero Wars, the Grazeland religion has changed a lot. At the apex is Ernalda, the independent Earth Queen - and her incarnation of the Feathered Horse Queen. Yelm is the patron of the Pure Horse tribe and the aristocratic men. But Orlanth is openly recognised and acknowledged as one of Ernalda's husbands (and often the main one); and worshiped by many of the farmers. And the Feathered Horse Queen is defended by a regiment of Humakti who are loyal only to her. And the Feathered Horse Queen is tied by dynastic links to Boldhome and Furthest. 

In short, things have changed a lot in the Grazelands and Six Ages is very ancient history. 

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4 hours ago, alakoring said:

By chance, do you still have that save? If so, can you send it in as a bug (see https://sixages.com/index.php/resources/)? I think I know what happened but would like confirmation.

Unfortunately no, I'm not really in the habit of keeping the saves after I beat a playthrough, since I use the same name every time and it got confusing. Sorry about that.

Although, in my most recent save, which I do still have, I got a bug where I managed to convince all the clans of the Cenala revelation in that first event, but the game acted like there were still non-believers, even after Cenala showed up and healed the valley. So I'll send that, at least.

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5 hours ago, Jeff said:

Orlanth is openly recognised and acknowledged as one of Ernalda's husbands (and often the main one); and worshiped by many of the farmers.

Aren't vendref forbidden from worshipping Orlanth, and worship Barntar instead? Maybe they worship Orlanth in secret?

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47 minutes ago, Ladygolem said:

Aren't vendref forbidden from worshipping Orlanth, and worship Barntar instead? Maybe they worship Orlanth in secret?

I guess that's one of the changes that's happened since the Feathered Horse Queen took over? The RQG book still says the Vendref worship "Ernalda and Barntar" with no mention of Orlanth, but on the other hand given how Barntar can be a subcult of Orlanth I guess it would hard for the Grazers to tell the difference until they suddenly start throwing Thunderbolts at you.

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9 hours ago, Leingod said:

Unfortunately no, I'm not really in the habit of keeping the saves after I beat a playthrough, since I use the same name every time and it got confusing. Sorry about that.

Although, in my most recent save, which I do still have, I got a bug where I managed to convince all the clans of the Cenala revelation in that first event, but the game acted like there were still non-believers, even after Cenala showed up and healed the valley. So I'll send that, at least.

Do save at least one game, if you want to continue your clan’ s story once “Lights Going Out” is out.

And yes, we’re still fixing bugs in “Ride Like the Wind.”

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