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The Lore of Six Ages: Ride Like the Wind

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18 hours ago, Leingod said:

I don't know, is Saird/Holay close enough to Dragon Pass to see Kero Fin? Because that's where you are on the map.

Yes.

And if you stand upon the Daughter's Road in Jillaro or Mirin's Cross or the end of it in Filichet in Holay and look south, you'll find that it points exactly at Kero Fin.

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Looking over The Book of Heortling Mythology again, I notice the throwaway line about Beren(eth) and Reda(y)lda: "All of their daughters were the Red-Headed Women." This would normally be taken by the Orlanthi to refer either to Vinga or to Redalda (who is the only one of Vingkot's daughters who has any real description given to her, noting that she is red-haired), but it might instead be an artifact of Osara once being present among the Berennethtelli.

Further evidence might be that it says that the stories of the Red-Headed Lodge of the Berennethtelli are "included" in the saga of House Vinga, the collection of tales about the Warrior Women of the Vingkotlings. Later Orlanthi who forgot about Osara might have just assumed that it was a local name for Vinga or something and just subsumed the tales of the Red-Headed Lodge into those of the Vingans.

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I don’t see anything that describes Redalda. (A name that’s spelled at least three ways in The Book of Heortling Mythology…)

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4 hours ago, alakoring said:

I don’t see anything that describes Redalda. (A name that’s spelled at least three ways in The Book of Heortling Mythology…)

Ah, that's because I remembered the wrong source. Redaylde is described as red-haired in Sartar: Kingdom of Heroes.

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On 6/29/2019 at 1:41 AM, Leingod said:

But yeah, it really is unfortunate that a lot of the material in Ride Like the Wind isn't really very usable in campaigns set in Time unless you're willing to really overhaul your personal take on Glorantha for it and throw out a lot of the written material, likely up to and including the prevalence of Elmal worship in the first place in the Third Age, since as written the cult is basically on the outs in favor of Yelmalio anyway and you pretty much only have Runegate and a few scattered clans to play with if you want to have a place where these gods can have a place, since I can tell you right now that the Sun Domers have no place in their society for any red-haired warrior daughters and bright-tailed wandering sons. Any real Hyaloring revival is pretty much going to need to be entirely home-brewed, though it could certainly be a pretty epic series of experimental heroquests and adventures undertaken by, say, members of the Runegate Triaty looking for something to empower Elmal's flagging worship by diving deep into his past or something.

One would think that the Pure Horse People - who have an origin among the Hyalorings - would preserve a lot of these old customs (even though it also seems that they are their own special thing even among the Riders). Of course, there's the general disappearance of Elmal to account for, and the resurgence of the Yu-Kargzant/Yelm worship (and whether that just popped up with the Dawn, or required some re-jiggering as by the Bright Empire), but we may get some insights into this as Six Ages rolls along (though it's as likely that the story will become more centered on the Berenethelli). And well, sure a lot what we know of the Grazers for example looks quite different, but the line of descent is there.

Also, who knows the Pentans could be pretty close to what we see of the Hyalorings.

So, yeah, I mean a lot of it isn't directly applicable, but I think it is a useful look at the past.

One wonders about the existence of Elmal among the southern Heortlings, but not among the northern Orlanthi, where he entered the pantheon, though. Of course it is likely Yelmalio has just overridden him there and it is the south which is farthest from the Yelmalian heartland, so.. 

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On 9/29/2018 at 2:03 PM, Sir_Godspeed said:

I'm wondering if it's maybe some remnant king of Peloria? I honestly think it's quite interesting that the Hyalorings are differentiating so strongly between mortals and gods at this point in time, given that such a distinction in the God Time is often either meaningless or difficult.

Incidentally, this seems to be an attitude shared by the Dara Happans in general, as the Samnali are supposedly so hostile to the Hyalorings because they "treat a man as a god" (i.e. venerate Hyalor, who never claimed to be more than a man while living). I suppose it fits the general idea of the Dara Happans embracing very rigid (and often artificial) hierarchical distinctions in their society and enshrining those as the natural way of the world.

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One interesting thing: in the Gods War art, gods almost always have swirls on their clothing (or skin or mane/tail, if they aren't human). Even Cenala, when she shows up in person, has this going on.

There are two exceptions. One is Hyalor, who started out as a man; he never gets any swirls. Granted, that could be because all of his myths/rituals take place before his human "death". But the other is Samnal. Which is interesting, because no one ever suggests that Samnal isn't a god, even the Riders. (They just think of him as a jerk god that they don't worship--but plenty of jerk gods we don't worship appear, and Maran Gor/Storm Bull/Yonesh/Shargash/etc all have the swirls.) But the art places him on an equal level with Hyalor, and it does so by depicting them both as mortals. Which does make me wonder if he was another human hero, who came to be worshipped, and the Wheels just think that that was okay because he was publicly known to be descended from a god...

(Also worth a mention: Verlaro, the god who lost his divine status. The one picture of him has his clothing entirely hidden by snow... An interesting touch, given that Osara and Yonesh in the same image both have swirls, and Yonesh's worshiper Stakar does not.

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