Mechashef Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 This is probably more a case of me just misunderstanding instead of an error in the text. On Page 391 under the section "SPELL NAME" it states: Quote The presence of the Magic Rune indicates that this spell can be used with any Rune What does that mean? For example, the spell Drain Soul has the Magic Rune and the Dispel Technique. Does a Sorcerer need to know the Magic Rune and the Dispel Technique (directly or indirectly) or could (for example) they learn the Drain Soul spell if the know the Darkness Rune and the Dispel Technique, or the Stasis Rune and the Dispel technique? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Without referencing the text, that sounds like it's a parallel case to how Rune magic works. So, the Magic Rune can basically be replaced by any Rune the sorcerer has mastered, as long as he's mastered at least one Rune. For example, the Rune spell Command Cult Spirit has (I believe) the Magic Rune, but can be cast rolling on any of the cult's Rune affinities. So followers of Orlanth could use the Air Rune, Movement Rune, etc. I'm guessing it's the same in your quoted section for sorcery; the sorcerer could use any of his mastered Runes as the Rune for casting Drain Soul. Quote Jonstown Compendium author. Find my publications here. Disclaimer: affiliate link. Social Media: Facebook Patreon Twitter Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechashef Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Crel said: Without referencing the text, that sounds like it's a parallel case to how Rune magic works. So, the Magic Rune can basically be replaced by any Rune the sorcerer has mastered, as long as he's mastered at least one Rune. For example, the Rune spell Command Cult Spirit has (I believe) the Magic Rune, but can be cast rolling on any of the cult's Rune affinities. So followers of Orlanth could use the Air Rune, Movement Rune, etc. I'm guessing it's the same in your quoted section for sorcery; the sorcerer could use any of his mastered Runes as the Rune for casting Drain Soul. So if a sorcerer casts Drain Soul using the Air Rune instead of the Magic Rune, does the Air Rune count as a minor or opposed Rune to the Magic Rune and thus cause a doubling of the required Magic Points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psullie Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 The Magic Rune is a wild card, it simply lets you substitute any other Rune - so the Drain Souls would be (in your case) Air + Dispel, as long as it's a Rune you have mastered then the costs are minimal. Note that the Magic Rune is not listed as one of the Sorcery Elemental, Power or Form runes, and in itself should not be taken as a Sorcery Rune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechashef Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Psullie said: Note that the Magic Rune is not listed as one of the Sorcery Elemental, Power or Form runes, and in itself should not be taken as a Sorcery Rune. However on P389 for the Malkioni it states: Quote At age 13, the novitiate selects three Runes (the Spirit Rune, an Elemental Rune, and either a Power Rune or the Magic Rune) ... (Emphasis mine) So it is apparently a valid Rune to select. There seems to be a contradiction in this chapter regarding the Magic Rune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHibbs Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Mechashef said: However on P389 for the Malkioni it states: ... So it is apparently a valid Rune to select. There seems to be a contradiction in this chapter regarding the Magic Rune. I suspect p389 is wrong, out of date, given that the Magic Rune is being used for something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, PhilHibbs said: I suspect p389 is wrong, out of date, given that the Magic Rune is being used for something else. Page 389 is within the context of the Malkioni culture. Needless to say the Malkioni will make a much greater use of sorcery than say Lhankor Mhy. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonh Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Mechashef said: However on P389 for the Malkioni it states: (Emphasis mine) So it is apparently a valid Rune to select. There seems to be a contradiction in this chapter regarding the Magic Rune. Just use whatever rune you like when casting Drain Soul. I don't see anything that contradicts that. Edited October 10, 2018 by simonh Quote Check out the Runequest Glorantha Wiki for RQ links and resources. Any updates or contributions welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHibbs Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 56 minutes ago, Jeff said: Page 389 is within the context of the Malkioni culture. Needless to say the Malkioni will make a much greater use of sorcery than say Lhankor Mhy. Jeff Isn't that's going to be a bit confusing when the sorcery mechanics has two uses for the Magic Rune - one as a wild card in a spell's rune list, and one as a thing the Malkioni can use for something different? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psullie Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 25 minutes ago, PhilHibbs said: Isn't that's going to be a bit confusing when the sorcery mechanics has two uses for the Magic Rune - one as a wild card in a spell's rune list, and one as a thing the Malkioni can use for something different? Who says it has to be different, I'm just spit-balling here but what if the Magic Rune was a wild card/neutral condition that could be used be lieu of any Rune, it would make the Malkioni powerful sorcerers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechashef Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 So what about Castback which has Magic plus Stasis plus two techniques? And Identify Spell and Pierce Veil which both have Magic and Truth and a technique? Can the required Runes be used a second time in place of the Magic Rune? Can Identify Spell be cast using Truth and Truth again and the technique? Is the Magic Rune really only being used to add an extra Magic Point to the base Spell? Or is it to place a limit on those spells so that an adventurer needs to know multiple Runes to use them? It does seem poorly written. Considering that the spells using the Magic Rune do all seem to have something to do with magic it feels like it was a valid Rune that was changed at the last moment. Perhaps a better approach would have been to lower the INT requirement by one (so they can learn one more Rune) and give every sorcerer the Magic Rune as their initial one which is used to understand Sorcerous Magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psullie Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mechashef said: So what about Castback which has Magic plus Stasis plus two techniques? And Identify Spell and Pierce Veil which both have Magic and Truth and a technique? Can the required Runes be used a second time in place of the Magic Rune? Can Identify Spell be cast using Truth and Truth again and the technique? this was exactly the question I posted to the Q&A forum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHibbs Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Psullie said: this was exactly the question I posted to the Q&A forum... Yes, but by posting it here, anyone can offer their opinions on it. The Q&A is for official answers only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechashef Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Psullie said: this was exactly the question I posted to the Q&A forum... My apologies. I hadn’t seen your post there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHibbs Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, Mechashef said: So what about Castback which has Magic plus Stasis plus two techniques? And Identify Spell and Pierce Veil which both have Magic and Truth and a technique? Hm. Another possibility (other than it just being an "any other rune" wildcard), those spell write-ups date back to an earlier version of the rules in which the Magic Rune was just like any other - and perhaps it is still supposed to work like that. Then someone decided they needed a wildcard, and copied the Rune Magic system of using the Magic Rune, even though the Magic Rune is also used for its own purposes for spells that relate directly to magic. My bet is, the Magic Rune works just like any other rune, but also has been used as a wildcard. If so, they need to pick a different wildcard, like maybe a question mark instead of a real rune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psullie Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 52 minutes ago, Mechashef said: My apologies. I hadn’t seen your post there. no need to apologise I was just commenting on how we both came to the same conclusion. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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