Shiningbrow Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 I'm curious about these 3 spells, as they do something all rather similar, but... What I'm wondering about is - what is "woman" defined as? I presume Bless Pregnancy can be cast on Ducks, Trolls, Minotaurs, Baboons, Morokanth, etc etc... where's the line on species? What about other non-sentient life? Eg, horses, cows, etc. The significance is that with enough RPs thrown in, your herds suddenly get very strong (and renowned). But, OTOH, what's the meaning and limitation on Reproduce? "The being’s next attempt at procreation succeeds to the greatest degree possible. If a corn shoot were blessed, the full-grown plant would be heavily laden with ears, and all kernels in each ear would be large, fertile, and capable of growing a new plant"... implies to me species maximum stats! Can these 3 spells be combined? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Darvall Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Bless pregnancy Ernalda as a generalist (less effective) version with Eritha as the specialist for domestic animals (with a crossover for minotaurs)? Reflected as an Erithan RP being worth two Ernaldan ones? Also Bless Pregnancy being a specific blessing whereas Bless Herds just increases the average. Reproduce being the same. I.E. the corn is individually more fertile but it will take a metric shittonne of RP to cover the whole crop. Hence Bless Crops. For my 2 clacks anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joerg Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Shiningbrow said: I'm curious about these 3 spells, as they do something all rather similar, but... What I'm wondering about is - what is "woman" defined as? I presume Bless Pregnancy can be cast on Ducks, Trolls, Minotaurs, Baboons, Morokanth, etc etc... where's the line on species? What about other non-sentient life? Eg, horses, cows, etc. The significance is that with enough RPs thrown in, your herds suddenly get very strong (and renowned). But, OTOH, what's the meaning and limitation on Reproduce? "The being’s next attempt at procreation succeeds to the greatest degree possible. If a corn shoot were blessed, the full-grown plant would be heavily laden with ears, and all kernels in each ear would be large, fertile, and capable of growing a new plant"... implies to me species maximum stats! Can these 3 spells be combined? Reproduce ensures conception, and is hence cast before pregnancy. Bless Pregnancy affects the womb of the mother and averts pains and sicknesses, and possibly takes out the rune magic of the blessing priestess for the duration of the pregnancy if additional rune points are spent to ensure superior characteristics. (I wonder when the characteristic maxima of the child are rolled - after conception, or at birth?) Bless Animals is the discount version of Reproduce for non-sentient beasts, especially if cast on studs rather than pregnant females. It does reduce the chance for begetting a new stud, though, but then what do you expect from a discount spell? No idea what would happen if you blessed a herd man bull this way, then awakened it. Would it still affect only herdman women? Would the effect be canceled if the herd man is not a beast any more? (Speaking of this, how much is intercourse with awakened herd-men in the neighborhood of bestiality? When you awaken your bison or sable steed, you still expect it to copulate with other herd beasts, so what is the deal with awakened herd men?) Quote Telling how it is excessive verbis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHibbs Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Shiningbrow said: But, OTOH, what's the meaning and limitation on Reproduce? "The being’s next attempt at procreation succeeds to the greatest degree possible. If a corn shoot were blessed, the full-grown plant would be heavily laden with ears, and all kernels in each ear would be large, fertile, and capable of growing a new plant"... implies to me species maximum stats! Can these 3 spells be combined? Reproduce doesn't boost stats, but Bless Pregnancy does, and is pretty awesome at it. A priestess like Ereneva Chan with 12 RP can bless a child to have +10 spread across any characteristics. If you go with the rule that spells can't be regained during their duration, though, she's out of RP for the whole pregnancy. I think Bless Pregnancy is just for people, I would have also added a target restriction like the Yinkin and Basmol spells. Edited May 5, 2019 by PhilHibbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiningbrow Posted May 5, 2019 Author Share Posted May 5, 2019 29 minutes ago, PhilHibbs said: Reproduce doesn't boost stats, but Bless Pregnancy does, and is pretty awesome at it. A priestess like Ereneva Chan with 12 RP can bless a child to have +10 spread across any characteristics. If you go with the rule that spells can't be regained during their duration, though, she's out of RP for the whole pregnancy. I think Bless Pregnancy is just for people, I would have also added a target restriction like the Yinkin and Basmol spells. I was also thinking of this 12RPs when looking over the "how to roll characteristics" thread... If Extension and the spell it extends mean you don't get those RPs, then this should be the same. As for "people" - what's the definition? It's a little blurry in RQ. And Joerg's bit below even more so... 31 minutes ago, Joerg said: No idea what would happen if you blessed a herd man bull this way, then awakened it. Would it still affect only herdman women? Would the effect be canceled if the herd man is not a beast any more? (Speaking of this, how much is intercourse with awakened herd-men in the neighborhood of bestiality? When you awaken your bison or sable steed, you still expect it to copulate with other herd beasts, so what is the deal with awakened herd men?) Is an awakened animal a person??? What about if an allied spirit inhabits the body? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jps Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 I would rule that an awakened animal is sentient and thus I would treat her as a person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g33k Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Shiningbrow said: Is an awakened animal a person??? What about if an allied spirit inhabits the body? Yes. Once upon a time, there was ONLY "people" in the Garden (two-legged or four-legged), no beasts. An "Alter Creature" that Awakens a beast under the Compact returns them to Personhood. Quote Herd-things become people and people become herd-things. A spirit possessing a body is wholly different. It's still a spirit. Edited May 5, 2019 by g33k Quote C'es ne pas un .sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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