Spirits and Powered crystals

[Shiningbrow 498]

Is there any (good) reason why an allied spirit or ancestor, or even Fetch couldn't attune a powered crystal?

[Iskallor 896]

3 minutes ago, Shiningbrow said:

Is there any (good) reason why an allied spirit or ancestor, or even Fetch couldn't attune a powered crystal?

You have to pick it up?

[jajagappa 3,200]

44 minutes ago, Iskallor said:

You have to pick it up?

Agree, I think it requires physical contact with the crystal. 

[Crel 881]

33 minutes ago, jajagappa said:

Agree, I think it requires physical contact with the crystal. 

So what about a sentient elemental?

[kirinyaga 49]

some fetch can also fully materialize (shamanic abilities p360). I think anything corporeal with POW can potentially attune a crystal.

[jajagappa 3,200]

1 hour ago, Crel said:

So what about a sentient elemental?

They have physical form, so I don't see why not. As long as they can maintain the physical form for the period required to attune the crystal. There may be a question as to whether the crystal remains attuned if the body dissolves though.  That would be my argument against a fetch attuning a crystal as well - they may be able to materialize long enough for the ritual (a week IIRC), but when they dematerialize, the connection with the crystal may break (just as with a person dying). [Or perhaps the attunement remains - maybe that's why reattuning is required as it breaks any prior attunements by others.]

[Psullie 352]

I'd allow it (and have done so with NPC's) only if the spirit has a myth/history of dealing with other spirits, such as the ghost of a shaman or priest. Of course the crystals are fixed to the middle world, so a Genius Loci would be ideal. 

 

[Bill the barbarian 1,452]

6 hours ago, kirinyaga said:

some fetch can also fully materialize (shamanic abilities p360). I think anything corporeal with POW can potentially attune a crystal.

Agreed

[Thyrwyn 53]

I always go with “yes” unless the rules already say “no”. 

[HreshtIronBorne 153]

We have always played that a shaman can attune a crystal and his fetch can attune one too, since RQ3. It was one of the cooler side benefits of shamanhood. I have no idea if that is supported by the RAW or anything. 

[PhilHibbs 1,290]

I'm sure there are crystals in the spirit world as well. Why wouldn't there be?

[jajagappa 3,200]

3 hours ago, PhilHibbs said:

I'm sure there are crystals in the spirit world as well. Why wouldn't there be?

Because it's formless?

Since the crystal represents dried, solidified god's blood, I don't see that such a form can exist in the Spirit World (the Godtime, yes). Could there be some equivalent? Perhaps, but would be something like a memory or dream, not physical.

[Bill the barbarian 1,452]

On 7/5/2019 at 8:03 AM, jajagappa said:

Since the crystal represents dried, solidified god's blood, I don't see that such a form can exist in the Spirit World (the Godtime, yes). Could there be some equivalent? Perhaps, but would be something like a memory or dream, not physical.

I was thinking similar, the gods were hurt in the spirit world so there should be blood from the wounds but why would it appear as we see blood...

What does mytha-physical blood look like?

Edited July 15, 2019 by Bill the barbarian
That to what

[jajagappa 3,200]

1 hour ago, Bill the barbarian said:

the gods were hurt in the spirit world

I'd probably play it as this: the gods were hurt in the Godtime and bled out there. When Time came, the dried blood remained as crystals in the Mundane World. If you want the fresh blood, or more powerful crystals, you need to HeroQuest into the Godtime to get that. The wound the gods suffered caused pain, grief, and nightmare memories that passed into the Spirit World. This may be one of the origins of Pain and Grief Spirits, which can certainly be captured and bound. The memories must linger as well - can you find and attune such a memory? Probably. Not quite sure what one might do with it if attuned, but maybe can serve some similar purpose as certain types of crystals. And not quite sure how you'd "bind" it, but … Why not!

[Bill the barbarian 1,452]

4 hours ago, jajagappa said:

I'd probably play it as this: the gods were hurt in the Godtime and bled out there.

Et, voila.

[soltakss 3,803]

On 7/4/2019 at 12:23 PM, Shiningbrow said:

Is there any (good) reason why an allied spirit or ancestor, or even Fetch couldn't attune a powered crystal?

No, in RQ2 having an Allied Spirit meant that you could attune two Crystals. There are examples in the RuneMasters supplement, I believe.

We played that a Fetch could also attune a Powered Crystal, as it is a separate part of a Shaman's soul.

[Crel 881]

On 7/4/2019 at 6:59 PM, HreshtIronBorne said:

We have always played that a shaman can attune a crystal and his fetch can attune one too, since RQ3. It was one of the cooler side benefits of shamanhood. I have no idea if that is supported by the RAW or anything. 

For what it's worth, I was rummaging through RQ3 Elder Secrets recently and yes, fetches attuning to a second crystal is supported in that text. P.36 of the "Secrets Book".