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10 hours ago, Akhôrahil said:

This seems pretty shockingly powerful.

Apparently books are far better than the best possible teacher for the same period of study?

Would you still get the bonuses if you hired someone to read it for you? 

For sure. Learning by experience when you have a high skill can take something like six seasons to earn a 3% increase. Unless you choose to roll and get the obligatory 1% increase instead.

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20 hours ago, Akhôrahil said:

This seems pretty shockingly powerful.

Apparently books are far better than the best possible teacher for the same period of study?

Would you still get the bonuses if you hired someone to read it for you?

Hey, it's only a fair return for the rare, difficult and highly esoteric skill of Read/Write(language) !

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14 minutes ago, Dragonsnail said:

So a Scribe-Warrior would be optimal for the Egregious munchkinnery thread?

A Scribe-Warrior-Monk-Priest would be better.

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Speaking as a rules-playing munchkin, delaying reading such books will increase their benefit greatly as your chance to fail your skill check diminishes at high proficiency, while the book still gives a straight bonus.

OTOH,  there might be a skill cap for each book beyond which it becomes useless. While a good trainer can teach a student to surpass the trainer's practical abilities, even that has limits.

Telling how it is excessive verbis

 

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10 hours ago, kirinyaga said:

Hey, it's only a fair return for the rare, difficult and highly esoteric skill of Read/Write(language) !

Bah! If you have a good Read/Write, you're likely to be in Lhankor Mhy.

If you're in Lhankor Mhy, you are likely to have sorcery.

If you have sorcery (especially in LM), you probably have Logician.

And Logician allows you to increase any other Read/Write ...

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9 hours ago, Shiningbrow said:

Bah! If you have a good Read/Write, you're likely to be in Lhankor Mhy.

If you're in Lhankor Mhy, you are likely to have sorcery.

If you have sorcery (especially in LM), you probably have Logician.

And Logician allows you to increase any other Read/Write ...

Yes, but for it to have an effect you need to spend about 14 points on duration, and then some on intensity. Or a couple of POW for inscribing the spell.

Telling how it is excessive verbis

 

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1 hour ago, Joerg said:

Yes, but for it to have an effect you need to spend about 14 points on duration, and then some on intensity. Or a couple of POW for inscribing the spell.

???

 

Just recast...(granted, it'd be more economical with 14 duration, but if you're cutting it fine, 7 pts would do)

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On 8/1/2019 at 3:00 PM, Akhôrahil said:

This seems pretty shockingly powerful.

Apparently books are far better than the best possible teacher for the same period of study?

Would you still get the bonuses if you hired someone to read it for you?

Once you try to run them in your campaign, you'll pretty quickly note that RQ2 scenarios contain some rather overpowered loot that wasn't that hard to gather.  Not a lot of regards for balance over long-span campaigns.

Rather than flat gains, it would make more sense that books would give someone multiple checks (like 5 or more)  against their lore skill like a skill gain roll...this would mean they could still be big gains for people who knew nothing about the subject, and still be relatively treasured by experts.

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3 hours ago, Shiningbrow said:

???

 

Just recast...(granted, it'd be more economical with 14 duration, but if you're cutting it fine, 7 pts would do)

While a book isn't meant to be read in one go, I would at least demand concentration rolls to keep your mind on the topic of the book rather than casting your Logician spell when studying it.

Telling how it is excessive verbis

 

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11 hours ago, Joerg said:

While a book isn't meant to be read in one go, I would at least demand concentration rolls to keep your mind on the topic of the book rather than casting your Logician spell when studying it.

7 points duration is 6 hours... Find me anyone who can keep their concentration up for that long anyway! (Well, yes, I know... Very few people can... And, in fact, it should be a skill, power, magic or whatever LM teaches!)

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On the subject of gains, I too think it's pretty silly to give flat gains. It completely ignores the possibility that the reader actually already knows this knowledge with their current skill level.

(A 1% increase in knowledge is actually a *huge* amount! Just consider the amount of material you had to read throughout all of your schooling, primary, secondary, tertiary... (cos, you know, modern education is a modern thing))

 

(Is a 100% plant lore in Glorantha equivalent to 100% in RL?)

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18 hours ago, Brootse said:

"The pen is mightier..."

Said the sage, just as she realised she was standing in front of a Humakti Sword.

"... than, ummm, a... A pencil?? Hehe...". <gulp>

 

(Edit: speaking of which, would a troll Lhankor Mhy scholar have a temple/library in The Castle of Lead Pencil?)

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4 hours ago, Shiningbrow said:

Said the sage, just as she realised she was standing in front of a Humakti Sword.

"... than, ummm, a... A pencil?? Hehe...". <gulp>

 

(Edit: speaking of which, would a troll Lhankor Mhy scholar have a temple/library in The Castle of Lead Pencil?)

Totally off topic, but John Wick is renowned for killing 3 men with a pencil.

[EDIT]  Pencil skill at 150%?

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