Oleksandr

A little bit of rant. From GPC, "Fighting Men": "Arab Warrior: Robed Bedouins armed with bows and razor-sharp scimitars, often inspired against any foe by their fanatical devotion to Allah. They ride upon Arabian chargers" - while it stereotypical "arab" weapon, in reality scimitars was only introduced in the middle of crusades period. Traditional arab swords was identical to the european ones. Additionally, most Arabs was christian at the time. "Moor Warrior: Dark-skinned, blue-robed men from North Africa. They are armed with lances, shields, and swords, and all ride upon Barbary chargers." - while there is sub-saharan diaspora in north Africa, it was much smaller at the time. Native north african has the same (often even lighter!) skin tone as south europeans. Important thing is, many north africans find assumption that they supposed to be dark-skinned as highly racist...

Yea, yet judging by the articles earlier in this thread they only rarely was called (at least until longbow era). In example you provided, in open battle such troops were routed literally the seconds enemy attacked them... +it seems in most cases only kings and high nobility has right to call them, (of course, when manor was attacked even serfs would fight). What also interesting, as was mentioned in other thread, Uther's Logress had half as much freemen as real England did.😁 And what interesting, in it level of income mentioned greatly exceed ones from BoU...🤔 P.S. according to wiki, between Conquest and 1181 there indeed was no commoner levies in England...

Another interesting example i dug up, heavy cavalry even. Here i noticed interesting thing, researchers, when dealing with female fighters, often see such examples as doubtful, because they analyze this examples separately, often ignoring similar ones. I mean, yes, we can't be completely sure, but still. +in this example researchers express doubts about her authenticity because of her name, which make a pun with her quotes (as if real people never joke about names😅). Interestingly, there was completely historical female dragoon in 19th century russia, whose last name could be roughly translated as "foolish". I wonder what such scholars would say about that.😁

This indeed seem to be the case, although difference aren't as strong as modifiers suggest 😀. Here i wanted to again point out that peasant levy now believed to be 19th century misconception.😉 In fact, in KAP, anybody even use them?🤔

What also interesting is that her opponent is a monk. Quite odd choice too...😃

Some of this depict amazones and goddesses, but still. What interesting that most of such art depict female fighters in dresses, while most examples from chronicles say they was wearing pants... Then again, long tabard aren't all that different from dress.

In my experience finding specific pieces among prolific writing can be quite hard 😱... Maybe you happen to have direct quotes? I would be thankful 😃

"Sir Walter was on his way to a tournament, perhaps near Darmstadt, when he passed a church dedicated to the Virgin Mary, to whom he was thoroughly devoted– in fact, preparing for the tournament, he had fastened her favour around his arm the way other knights did with their sweethearts’ tokens. He decided to stop and pray. A priest mentioned that he would be giving mass soon, and Sir Walter decided to stay for mass. After a while, Sir Walter realized he was terribly late for the tournament. As he hastened to the field, he saw many men approaching who looked like they’d been fighting. The tournament had ended. But before Walter could get very down on himself about it, a very strange thing happened: the men approaching began to negotiate terms of ransom and release with him, as if he had captured them during the fight. They explained, by and by, that a valiant knight in Sir Walter’s armor, with Sir Walter’s heraldry and banners, had ruled the day, performing such feats of martial prowess as had rarely been seen in living memory. Many prisoners were taken, many honors were won. For while Sir Walter was busy at his devotions, the Virgin Mary had gone and taken his place at the tournament. Sir Walter threw down his armaments on the spot and declared he would devote himself thereafter to her service, forsaking knightly life." Wut😳?..

I noticed that homeland modifiers for Ireland (from "pagan shore") was way more intense than for other region. Some even give stat bonuses...🤨🤔

Strange thing i noticed in book "Saxons!", in chapter about Badon battle in enemy tables modifier results in Logres having less knights then other british regions. Wasn't it supposed to be other way around? +it seems Logres end up with even inferior foot troops...

https://www.leidenpsychologyblog.nl/articles/when-girl-meets-boy-in-utero-the-twin-testosterone-transfer-ttt-hypothesis (shame they removed old comments, there was interesting discussion..) It seems women born with twin brothers would be way more likely to became knights😀.

1) If i understand correctly, in "Saxons!" in roll for ancestor there option for family to believe themself be descendant of deity. Provided they believe they are descendant of Tyr (which, in this world, they could be), i wonder, would they strive to adhere to his religious virtues? 2) I also wonder how much Arthur vassals was eger to adhere to his chivalry standard.. Especially among berrocingas, who famously loyal to kings of Logres.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasant_republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dithmarschen

It seems right for at least one such monastery to exist under Arthur reign. With vassal knights, of course 😀. I cannot avoid feeling that this was less about being period appropriate and more creators acting on preconceptions about middle ages...🤔

Well, yea, but in standard situations squires aren't supposed to fight directly, aren't they?🤨🤔 Recently i looked through interesting lecture about composition of feudal armies (unfortunately not in english), lecturer said that standard knightly lance had 3 members, knight+squire+sergeant, but wealth level of knights varied, so slightly poorer ones replaced mounted sergeants with infantry/archers/crossbowmen, richer ones added some foot troops (and possibly additional sergeants/squires). Field armies indeed seem to be overwhelmingly cavalry. Of course cavalry fought dismounted if required, like during sieges (and would use bows/crossbows), but yes, knights wouldn't dig trenches 😅.

What interesting there is that in chronicles when infantry mentioned it usually stated to be militia or mercenaries. Meanwhile in KAP actuall knight lance is 2/3 infantry by default...

Well, Arthurian stories are heavily influenced by french literature, so..😀 +KAP put heavy emphasis on knightly adventures over courtly intrigue, thus in make sense to "boost" number of low rank nobility. Especially considering relative idealism of the setting - high nobles tended to be much more oppressive than minor ones...

Yes, but you expressed a doubts about D&D style double attacks, which evidently existed 😉. Besides, there are surprisingly many people who believe that "parrying daggers" was used exclusively for parrying. And disproving misconceptions is always good 😀 Of course medieval art can be weird 😅, yet we still can get useful information out of it. Even this image show (relatively) realistic joust. And images of people not just holding but clearly attacking with two weapons, prove that people at the time at least know such thing was possible. Again, you will be surprised how many people believe DW to be hollywood invention 😱. (another example of DW using armies would be South-East Asia, especially Thailand, who had significant number of soldier using pair of same length curved swords (too possibly derived from "civilian" fencing). Of course, fighting in this area often happened in jungles (terrain ill-suited for maneuvering in formations, cavalry charges and long range archery) or around elephants, thus making it more practical. Wouldn't fit in KAP, but for more "generic" fantasy game...😉) (interestingly, svedes also used pikes during bayonet charges, one of the last european armies to do so) Well it seems muskets was lighter than pike, and better balanced. This manual 👇(it hard to tell when it was made..🤔) suggest it was used for thrusting along with the sword

Earlier here was example of Battle of Iconium, to which most of modern estimates are larger then some numbers from chronicles 😅

Question about Berrocingas ("Saxons!" mentioned another group of "pre-hengist" saxon, Wilrningas, this question relevant for them too), since they wasn't invaders but settled peacefully, do they actually have any slaves? It seem logical to assume they had mostly laets 🧐

I suppose it more just a low quality of art 😅. Interestingly through, medieval art often depicted knights as longhaired youth, thus creating some confusion 😀. (although, anime fans like this aspect apparently. I mean, bishōnens and all that) Probably, although it important to note that it's basically same way phalangists often depicted wielding pikes with shield. It still possible to thrust with it, but you need to turn your whole body... Anyway, it was completely different era, with different military doctrine... More relevant, dueling fencing (rapier and dagger) had occasional attack with both weapons, however this seem to be quite risky maneuver. B.t.w. here are some medieval examples from art:

Of course, yet it logical to assume that they used this daggers too. +some targes was also equipped with spikes, so too was effectively a weapon. 😉 This is information mostly from eastern european sources (from countries which fought either against swedes, or on both sides of the war), there aren't many information on swedish army in english, and i don't speak swedish: This one referring to 1701 military regulations. Anyway, this one are way more relevant (From Battle of Clontarf):

While it was certainly uncommon, viking sagas mention couple of cases of it use in battle (including occasional double attacks), admittedly, mostly in small skirmishes on foot. Through, i reed in one book (although quite old, and popular science one, so no proper sources was listed) about two cases when knight charged with lance in one hand and sword in other. +one chronicle (i forget which one...😑) mentioned knight fighting with lance and sword in melee, mounted, with double attack included. There also quite a lot of medieval depictions, so there that. P.s. Interestingly, in gunpowder era armies of dual-wielder actually existed, like scottish highlanders charging with broadsword and dagger. Or swedish brief experiments (sword and bayoneted rifle).

I wonder would be rules for dual-wielding added in 6ed?🤔 It has rules for parrying with two weapons after all...

Well, there was quite a few pagans even in Arthur time, i assume there was more 20 years before his birth 🤷‍♂️. +if they was assimilated into saxon culture, they could also convert. I specifically chose Aegir worship because it has Cruel, Vengeful and Selfish as virtues, thus "good" synergy with Angles 😅. In fact, Christian (especially RC) would "cancel" their cultural modifiers.