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Recently I have started a new campaign with my players after a first and very long “high level”
campaign that is just paused, and after a try of a campaign “from the beginning” based on the new
stuff published but without any success with my “old” players for whom playing at the clan level is no
more interesting, even for a short time.

So, after several adventures in dragon pass and Pavis, they had an original idea : know more about
lunar magic, in order to try to better fight it
And they have decided to start with the 7 masks of the goddess. So I am looking for all pieces of
information I have on this topic and realize the lack of stuff we have about the lunar “mythology”
(not right because based on old gods/goddesses but we have more or less nothing on those old gods
too…), and quite nothing very deep about the lunar magic : how it works, how it was build, etc… Only
some rules, mainly based on the 7 mothers

Exception is the description of the 7 mothers cults, which is a good start

As I have heard nothing about lunars in the next publications, I propose to share some of my ideas
with you and hope we can have a discussion to imagine some original and fun stuff to be included in
our campaigns ! Clearly here = YGMV

1) About Sedenya :
I admit I have never clearly understood the explanations I have read about “what is the goddess”.
There is the official explanation given by the lunars but I prefer to think that there is something
behind. So one of my idea is to say that sedenya is a construct, a merge of several old goddesses
known in the region, for obvious reasons if you want to convince as much people as possible to
follow you.

And to succeed to build her, the 7 mothers have used a part of Tylenea (conscientiously
or not), so most of the lunar magic is powered by illusion. It is why they can create temporary reality
that mimic existing magic. May be Tylenea was deceiving the 7 mothers ? fun but why ?
Based on that, I have some difficulties to explain exactly how they did it and all ideas are welcomed !

And some links between old goddesses are not obvious to me
2) Gerra and natha
Gerra is presented (in the guide for example) as the goddess of the pyramids and as a cult of
suffering (at least in Spol). But why building pyramids to a goddess of suffering ? Sometimes I
associate her with Asrelia as a goddess of secrets and as a kind of archetype of the “old woman”, but
a weird and scaring one. Have sense ?

Is Gerra was an important goddess during the spolite empire and before ?

Natha is presented as an old goddess of sacrifices.
The 2 seems linked (refer to the natha’s well in the guide). But how and why ? What are their
common story ?
Natha seems to come from Pelanda where she was near/following Jernothius. What kind of influence
she could have bring with her in the northern part of the region (naveria, darsen, spol ) ?
On this particular topic I have the idea to introduce Androgeus as the son of Natha and Jernothius,
which could explain his passion for balance and the fact that he has came out of the second hell, the
one of natha

But I didn’t find the fate of jernothius after he was established at the top of his mountain ? Some
ideas ?

3) Blue moons
Of course….
I like the idea from Sandy Petersen that the blue moon of the troll is not the blue moon of the lunar
even if we can find some common point like the link between Lesilla, the blue moon and with birth
powers (not sure of this one but refer to the guide “history of the lunar allies”)
We could find some interesting common point with Darsenite goddess of fertility. Again Darsen, a
fascinating place with naveria ! So, can we imagine some links with natha and gerra ?

I like the sandy’s idea of a kind of undead blue moon, even if I don’t know what to do with that for
now

But what about Orogeria the goddess of hunters in Arir ? I found quite nothing about the possible
links with the other goddesses chosen (?) by the 7 mothers. But her story is so dramatic…

4) Black moon
Again, I like the sandy’s idea of the black moon. For me, the black moon could be the incarnation of
the chaos powers of the goddess or her chaotic part
And for me, she uses it to power her magic or maybe it is used to maintain the construct she is. And
to use chaos without being a chaotic entity by yourself, you should be illuminated, so the link
between black moon and Rashonara

Sorry for this long and confuse post but my imagination needs more fuel and you are welcomed to propose what you want !

thanks

It is not very important to know if what sandy said was "canon" or just for fun or...whatever

I am asking these questions because I think there is something fun to do with the black/blood sun and may be trying to imagine a global scheme for a chaos plan

And it is why I like Sandy so much : he is abble to launch an idea that is fun and blow our imagination, just with a few words

So thank you to everyone that has written some cool ideas and I hope more people will join this discussion and proposed their ideas

Thanks to Both of you. Much clearer for me now !

"You should take a look at the history of the Fifth Wane, aka Hon-eel's Wane. And there is a mastermind behind the changes in Chaos threats that are emerging gradually - schemes that may have been in place for decades or centuries, but triggered to relevation by recent world-shaking events like the Dragonrise"

Yes !!! Exactly what I expect to develop in my campaign but not so easy to find good and original inspirations (my players have a lot of expérience and played several games before in différent universes so a too classical story will be boring for them)

Hello everybody

I am Very confused by what I have read about the black sun and blood sun and I am looking for links between them and with other entities 

So all inspiration or knowledge from this community is welcomed : 

1) black sun seems to be known as basko by the troll but sandy said that "the black sun might be à part of tyram". Is not tyram an anti god ? A chaos god ? I am confused that uz can be linked with this kind of god

2) is thère any links (mythological I mean) between black and blood sun ?

3) what is thé blood sun and why it seems not known elsewhere exept the Kingdom of ignorance ?

4) be free to share fun ideas about those cults. I try to give them some importance in my herowars so any inspiration (even of epic scales) are welcome ! For example I want to link the black sun\blood sun with the black moon and it should be à part of the "Big plan" of some chaos guys

Thanks à lot

No doubt that we need a lunar sourcebook...

Thé importance that seems to have thé blood sun during hero wars is new for me and I think thère is à lot of potential for a multiplie areas campagne in glorantha (even in fonrit)

I am trying to build à consistent figure between blood sun black sun alenthor honeel the east isles the anti gods chaos etc... 

Not easy and all your ideas are welcomed ! 

I am totaly with you Gianni (I am french but I live in china....)

On 16/08/2017 at 11:21 AM, metcalph said:

I think Zzabur's map had annotations about what calamities befell the various places in Fronela as it was sunk.  So in order to ensure that the sinking of Fronela could not come to pass, Snodal set about to ensure that some calamities simply could not happen.  For example, a legend might have said "Here the God of the Silver Feet marshalled the White Bear Empire against the Flood but was overwhelmed" so Snodal might have decided to kill the God of the Silver Feet in order to falsify the map.

Killing the God with Silver Feet would have been an easy decision for Snodal to make since I understand, he was a supporter of the White Bear Empire.

Makes sense thanks

Understand. I Will check 

Thanks ! I didn t knew that

When you speaks of "god learnerS magic", do you le an that this kind of knowledge was available à round belintar ? And acceptable ?

Thanks again

Do we know more of the civilization fond by the counsil in dorastor After the dawn ? Why the magic and knowledge fond thère seems so révolutionary ?  (P128 speaks of "secrets of the universe") and what has ben done with that by the membres of the counsil ?

P134 : never understood why the blue moon culture was part of the élimination of the eaw leaders ? What is thé or link with the dragonewt ? 

P136 : The god learnerS secret is not clearly for me even if it said it is explained in thé guide. I still Doesn't t know How they were abble to modif the otherworld or manipulate the runes so freely 

P138 : do we know more of the origin of the closure ? Zzabur (réf p 145 too) ?

P142 : what are thé origins of dormal ? What can exploit how hé created his ritual ?

P145 : I still don t understand why snodal killed the god of silver feet. What is thé link between this god and the snodal s map ? 

I am always thinking of the origins of thered goddess. A moon goddess killed during the darkness ? Or somethink else ? I am thinking of some links with Tylenea for whom the destiny is not clear

Fonrit is clearly à place with great potential for adventuring

I have 2 questions May be replied later in the guide :

- I would loved to know more about garangordos his origins and the glorious ones

- it seems that fonrit was not concerned by the firefall even if it seems an important place for artmali culture. I don t see why...

Globally I liked this part. It is a clean,  consistent and quite new way of describing western culture

I particularly enjoy the western warrior societies

- I never count the orlanthi population and was surprised how it is spread !  But seems Very consistent with glorantha history and importance of orlanthi in it

- the illustrations.  Of the esrolian priestess page 32 disturbed me because of what seems to be an indian flavour that is too new and too alien for me or my players. .. I Will not follow this in my glorantha for orlanthi. My descriptions are nearer to illustration p34

- didn t knew that caladra was of orlanthi culture but makes sense. 

Two points for me : 

- I never count the orlanthi population and was surprised how it is spread !  But seems Very consistent with glorantha historique and importance of orlanthi in it

- the illustrations.  Of the esrolian priestess page 32 disturbed me because of what seems to be an indian flavour that is too new and too alien for me or my players. ..

- didn t knew that caladra was of orlanthi culture but makes sense. 

High level discussion here ! Good to se it again

First, sorry for my english, it is not my mother language

Nothing seems really new on this first pages but all is very clearly written and it is a pleasure to read it

I will try not to repeat what has been said before

1) what will impact my current campaign

One sentence : "These deities are palpably real, and the certainty of a life after death means that behavior is more important than survival for most people"

seems obvious but I have never understood this so clearly before

It means that finally I understand what means the “personality traits” associated to runes and so on. I always thought it was here only to give a specific “role play flavor”, but now I understand it is more deep and it is really part of glorantha. It is important, not only for player’s fun. It is important because glornathan ARE really like this

2) except the point before, here is the list of what I have particularly liked

• The several examples of how magic change the life in glorantha, from day to day to geographical impacts

• The description of an “international market”

• The clarity of the introduction even if quite nothing is really new

• The coins of glorantha page which I have shown to my players. It gives a particular flavour and has started some fun discussions on the best shape for the purses 

Hello

I am in

Thanks