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Is the Blue Moon also Mistress of the Light of Knowledge that Lhankor Mhy married after finding her in the Underworld after Tien beheaded her in the Darkness? The Uz say all knowledge is available from the Blue Moon.   Is there a connection between Blue Moon and Daliath? 

Was the Blue Moon visible during Day and Night?   

Hailing from the same town, I've known Greg and Suzanne for many years. Still shaken from this news am I. 

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Is it safe to equate to each other Darhudan/Darhudana, Flesh Man, Kalwoan, and VogMaraden, they being in one way or another as First Human. I may be way off here, or spot on. 

It is true Kyger Litor is referred to constantly as a goddess, but Troll Gods page 78 indicates all troll deities are seen as spirits and they are worshiped through shamans, though this may be misapplied worship for some. If Kyger Litor is indeed a spirit, she may be in fact a Dehori.  The Dehore section in Troll Gods also mentions that of all his children, the Dehori are especially intelligent and powerful. Perhaps Dehore also has many other, lesser children, and they may be "regular" Darkness Spirits/Shades.  I see some evidence that Sinjota the Guardian is a Dehori, as are Yomat and Yostal, both children of Eurmal and Sinjota. 

I see in GtG that Kyger Litor possesses the Spirit, Man, and Darkness Runes, and I also see notes that suggest all Darkness Spirits are Dehori.  Does this make Kyger Litor a Dehori, or does the presence of the Man Rune squash this? I still suspect that Ikadz/Ikaj is indeed a Chaotic Dehori, though I could just as easily be wrong. 

I see this now, upon further review. 

I am not sure if Ikadz is Chaotic or not. Any thoughts? Also, I know little of Hegeda except there is a chance she(?) is important somehow to the Dehori species. Certainly possible that Hegeda Dehora is simply a forgotten title that means Mother Dehori, and is indeed Subere, Xentha, Nakala, Space Mother, or some other lucky lady. Perhaps there are several castes of Dehori, certain of them named, powerful, and self-aware, and others much less powerful, mindless, and roaming around. Do you think it is possible for two (greater) Dehori to couple and generate more (lesser) Dehori? Do any other elementals replicate by themselves? As always my knowledge is incomplete but getting more accurate after each reply and the grand index continues to gain clarity. Thanks. And I am ready to read a story about the creation of the Dehori. I dig them guys. 

I have seen some very old notes that suggest there are 22 named and/or special Dehori, but this info seems to have been either been rejected or revised into the current form. It is fun to learn more about the unknowable corners of Glorantha.  May I ask what the publication schedule for this new troll book is?

I see. Is there a more in-depth article about Dehore and the Dehori that is canon? Much of what I speak is not canon it appears. My Glorantha certainly varies from the official version, but I hope not too much.

Do we as a community have the names and/or titles of all the 22 (?) known Dehori? I think Ikadz and Lord Lurker in Shadows are known Dehori, but are there others? Is Himile, for example, a Dehori? And is Lord Lurker a title or a name? And are all the Dehori as mighty as Ikadz and perhaps Himile? Is the mother of all the Dehori known? Perhaps it is Hegeda Dehora? Or are Mother of Space and Father of Demons the known parents?  Complex questions no doubt from a simple Animal Nomad! 

This is my current understanding of all the known, and perhaps unknown, entities we mere mortals call “Ocean/Sea Gods”. Perhaps we can together fill in the gaps? Subject to change as knowledge expands. This message is not about the Water Tribe per se, but specifically about only deities of Seas and Oceans. References to parents or children that are not Seas or Oceans are not included in this report, with a few exceptions. I am happy to correct my understanding. In proper Water Tribe fashion, though, the parentage and offspring list is somewhat mutable. Any help is appreciated to more fully understand.

Format Key is  - Name/Sphere of Influence if any noted - Parentage and Children

The Four Great Oceans are……

Hudaro

Homeward/Benara

Eastern -do we have a proper name?

Togaro

The Hudaro family

Hudaro/Ice - parent of Neleom, Banthe, Kerenth, Kenirya

Neleom/Cold - child of Hudaro

Banthe/unknown - child of Hudaro and Manthi and Natea - parent of Denestlazam

Kerenth/Sea Plants - child of Hudaro and Murthdrya - parent of Swermela, Jorkar, Dashomo

Kenirya/Sea Storm?/Squall? -  child of Hudaro and Umath?

Dashomo/unknown - child of Kerenth - parent of Marthino

Jorkar/unknown - child of Kerenth

Swermela/unknown -child of Kerenth

Denestlazam/unknown - child of Banthe

The Benara Family

Homeward/Benara/Psychopomp - child of All Waters - no offspring noted - aka Magasta/Magasta’s Pool

The Eastern Ocean Family

Eastern/Warmth? - creation unknown - parent of Menterina, Kahar, Venperha, Alsporanjabbi, Kostarankarjahobbi, FreshWater Sea, Valararriano,

Alsporanjabbi/unknown - child of Eastern Ocean

Valararriano/unknown - child of Eastern Ocean

FreshWater Sea/unknown - child of Eastern Ocean - is proper name known?

Venperha/unknown - child of Eastern Ocean

Kahar/Fog - child of Eastern Ocean, Sshorg, Iphara

Menterina/unknown - child of Eastern Ocean

The Togaro Family

Togaro/Terror - parent of Sshorg, Serelazam

Serelazam/unknown - child of Togaro - parent of Maslo, Dinosso, Marthino

Sshorg/unknown - child of Togaro - parent of Bezarngay, Sedlezam

Maslo/unknown - child of Serelazam - no children noted

Dinosso/unknown - child of Serelazam - parent of Marthino

Marthino/unknown - child of Dashomo, Dinosso, Serelazam

Bezarngay/unknown - child of Sshorgh, Seden - no children noted

Sedleza/unknown - child of Sshorgh - parent of Rozgal, Solkath

Seden/unknown - child of Sshorgh - parent of Bezarngay

Rozgal/unknown - child of Sedlezam - no children noted

Solkath/unknown - child of Sedlezam - no children noted

I see “Seluro” is perhaps a lost sea, but can find no other info - also need some help with Loral.

Well, it is true the Basmoli are in poor shape in the Age of Time. Back in the day though, in my own wacky Glorantha, I imagine a lion-riding tribe, that one may find to this very day while visiting the Other Side. And perhaps the grumpy One-Humps were indeed a Trickster prank involving Genert, while the lusty Two-Humps were a combined Uleria/Boggle plot as hinted at in Anaxial's Roster. 

My source for this is a brief Stafford unpublished manuscript with little or no detail, it being the same source for the other Tilntae/Altinae. Please send any info you have for the newly (for me) discovered Ifttala and Pendal please. 

Joerg, I go non-digital and record all info on blank index cards the same size as Magic/playing cards. So far the index is about 20 inches tall. Right now I am only recording names of known entities, sphere of influence, parents if any , and offspring if any. I also include an AKA note, to keep the index relatively easy to use. I am once again actively updating after a number of years offline so to speak. When this phase is complete I will add other info but that is in the future, this phase being simply identifying as many deities as possible, be they canon or not. I am happy to receive info filling in blank areas in my index. 

Thanks Joerg for your help. I have removed the Tilntae lable from Rathora in my index. Is The Lady of the Veil a title for Eleria?

Thanks Joerg for the info. I continue to add and update info in my fairly comprehensive collection. I am using some old, unpublished sources, as well as printed material supplemented by online fan material to gather as much intelligence as I can. With help someday my index will be complete perhaps. To be clear are you claiming that all Triolini are living physical entities that dwell in the waters, like a merman or fish, as opposed to animated waters like currents and seas? I am not disagreeing with you, but simply seek an understanding. 

This is my current understanding of all the known, and perhaps unknown, entities we mere mortals call “Altinae” and/or “Tilntae”. Perhaps we can together fill in the gaps? Subject to change as knowledge expands, and presented in no particular order.

Format Key is  - Name/Sphere of Influence - Children/Offspring

Altinae List

Siglat/unknown - none noted

Smalia/unknown - parent of Altin, Golomol

Altin/unknown - parent of Eflam

Selman/unknown - parent of Nostan

Vilamam/unknown - none noted

Nostan/unknown - none noted

Romala/unknown - parent of Odnetam, Vilamam

Krotala/unknown - parent of Romala, Selman

Bauta/unknown - parent of Eflam

Eflam/unknown - parent of Romala, Selman

Golomol/unknown - parent of Krotola

Namal/unknown - parent of Odnetam, Vilamam

Tilntae List

Tawara/unknown - parent of Tawari

Afarl/unknown - parent of Afrala

Eleria/unknown - parent of Siglat

Eloa/unknown - Afrala

Flemela/unknown - parent of Vegetables?

Herma/unknown - parent of Eleria

Wale/unknown - parent of Krotola

Reenea/unknown - parent of Einar

Odnetam/unknown - parent of Herma, Eleria

Tilntae/Animals? - parent of Animals?

Menele/unknown - parent of Wale

Hylia/Animals? - parent of Vrimak, Permal, Palar, Vrimaka, Golod, Jaskal, Lofak

Lokala/Wolves - none noted

Rathora/Bears and/or Predators? - parent of Rathori

Philia/unknown - none noted - spouse of Malkion, perhaps parent of those children?

Ineke/unknown - parent of Vadela

This is my current understanding of all the known, and perhaps unknown, entities we mere mortals call “Kolati”. Perhaps we can together fill in the gaps? Subject to change as knowledge expands, and presented in no particular order. I am unclear if offspring of a Kolati are such themselves. Any thoughts?

Format Key is  - Name/Sphere of Influence - Children/Offspring

Amolt/North Wind - parent of Altsom, Rathor, Lokali

Garrl/unknown - none noted

Aoea/East Isles Whirlwind - none noted

Elsom/East Wind - none noted

Ael/unknown - parent of Aerlit

Frisom/South Wind - none noted

Iinam/unknown - none noted

Altsom/unknown - parent of Aerlo, Reela

Aerlit/unknown - parent of Yelia, Malkion

Malkion/Prophet - parent of Zzabur, Waertag, Dromal, Holar, Kala, Talar, Jorann

Reela/unknown - parent of Garrl, Iinam

Yelia/unknown - none noted

This is my current understanding of all the known, and perhaps unknown, entities we mere mortals call “Luathans”. Perhaps we can together fill in the gaps? Subject to change as knowledge expands, and presented in no particular order. I am unclear if offspring of a Luathan are such themselves. Any thoughts?

Format Key is  - Name/Sphere of Influence - Children/Offspring

Vamth/West Gate Guardian - parent of Natea, Ulestir

Fonalt/unknown - parent of Akato

Frenota/unknown - none noted

Jeleka/unknown - parent of Aklor

Zenoa/unknown - parent of Rhylor?, Fonalt?

Tedloa/unknown - parent of Natea

Akato/unknown - none noted

Ochrel/Sky Lord - none noted

Natea/unknown - parent of Akato

Aklor/War Leader - none noted

Elyra/unknown - none noted

Luatha/unknown - parent of Aklor, Elyra, Aora

Zrethus/unknown - parent of Ochrel, Zenoa

Ulestir/unknown - none noted

This is my current understanding of all the known, and perhaps unknown, entities we mere mortals call “Triolini”. Perhaps we can together fill in the gaps? Subject to change as knowledge expands, and presented in no particular order. I am unclear if offspring of a Triolini are such themselves. For example, I see no documentation that King Undine himself is a Triolini, though he certainly may be. Any thoughts?

Format Key is  - Name/Sphere of Influence - Children/Offspring

Warera/unknown - parent of Westef, Malkion, Trioline

Ormak/Water Volcanoes - parent of Deros

Yeula/unknown - parent of Ioa, Peeled

Wartain - parent of Warera

Alekem/Eastern Bays - none noted, though all the Eastern Bays are children perhaps……

Lema/unknown - parent of Aora, Elyra

Westef/unknown - none noted

Triolina/Fertility - parent of King Undine, Mirintha, Murthdrya, Tholaina, Pharagon, possibly others..

Flalar/unknown - parent of Delmala

Remelor/unknown - none noted

Deros/unknown - note noted

Jonala/unknown - none noted

Watan/unknown - parent of Wartain

Trioline/unknown - parent of Westef

Akra/Underworld Rivers - none noted

Tanian/Fiery Waters - none noted

Thank you David, for the Camel Clarification. My files are updated.

Once long ago, on the Plains of Prax and the Wastes,  large herds of lion-riding barbarians hunted and raided their unfortunate neighbors perhaps.

My version of Glorantha contains 27 unique herd animals associated with Prax and/or the Wastes. Your Glorantha probably is different, but if not, we must blame Trickster.

I welcome any thoughts on the matter, but please, be gentle.

Many of these animals are extant, some only remembered, and others we no longer consider. Some are better, some lesser, and a few are quite different. Of course, this much interpretation, lazy memory, moderate modification, and wild speculation yields imperfect results, and this list is probably imperfect, and for that we must blame Trickster. They are offered below in no particular order. Subject to change as knowledge increases.

Extant - the "now", of most Gloranthan settings.

Rhino

Horse

Unicorn

Zebra

Antelope

Bolo Lizard

Ostritch

High Llama

Morocanth - they keep Herd-Men, and thus are unique

Impala

Sable

Bison

Donkey - herd beast of the Cannibal Cult it seems

Bird Lizard - probably same as Bolo Lizard, but different in my Glorantha

Lion - lions, and other Basmoli, are no longer herd beasts in my Glorantha

Animals remembered only in the “now”, but we have some information, be it true or otherwise. Subject to change as knowledge increases.

Camel - associated with a Trickster prank involving Genert if I recall correctly

Eight-Legs - big spiders and an Uz tribe I assume, and Humans perhaps……

Plains Elk - known to be true, we think.

Nose-Horn  - it seems the “real” name if forgotten. Or is it?

Long -Ears - see above

Long-Nose - see above

Horn-Nose - see above

Antler-Head - see above

Rib-Hide - see above

Some herd animals are no longer known, and even their names are gone. In my Glorantha, I declare the remaining Praxian herd animals that once existed, and that might be encountered in the Other Side. Subject to change as knowledge increases.

Cow - they are relatively common in Genertela I gather, and Uralda lives nearby.

Pig - see above, different goddess

Buffalo - of course little, but bigger, brother to Bison, and apparently not as stout