SirUkpyr

Thanks again to both Morien (for which book to look in) and to Atgxtg for good ideas.

I'm thinking that if the PKs are smart they will taunt his honor to the point where his men start going "is he really as strong as he says he is". Most times, a bully is a coward at heart, so if the PKs can kill enough of his people while taunting his honor, they may be able to cause the robber baron's own men to start deserting.

The points about time and money will be fun to watch.

One comment they made was... "well - if he's not getting food - he will have to surrender" - so I'm thinking they might try and starve him out. They just killed the dragon and are feeling very "we got this!" - so it should be interesting.

Thanks muchly for the "Oxford" reminder - I may acquire the 4th edition PDF to check out the "longer version" which Atgxtg mentioned.

Morien, thanks also for the "depends how difficult" comment.

I'm going to make them work for it, but if are smart they will be able to weaken him sufficiently to succeed.

Hello everyone!

 My PKs have heard that a nearby castle (Paincastle near Hay in the Adventure of the Dolorous Wyrm in Savage Mountains) is run by a robber baron, and they want to go deal with him.

Now I've got the information on what type of castle he has (Motte & Bailey with wooden palisade, stone keep, and a stone tower guarding the gatehouse), but I've no idea what the Baron himself (titled the "Lord of Pain") would be like, outside of a cruel mean dude.

Are there any published adventures which deal with "robber barons"?

How many men would he have? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

SirUkpyr

3 minutes ago, Tobbe-A said:

Try here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160321105329/http://gspendragon.com/

I had found that, but was more wondering whether the material was going to find a more permanent place than the "web.archive.com" site? Perhaps Chaosium could find a home for the material found there?

For those who are interested, The Stafford Codex can be found here: https://web.archive.org/web/20181126234708/http://www.staffordcodex.com/ .

I tried to access Greg's Pendragon page (gspendragon.com), but found it is gone.

Now, since he has passed, I am not shocked the site has gone down. Rather, I wondered where all the lovely articles may have moved to?

thanks.

SirUkpyr

I looked at the debate and decided to split the baby (grins).

I set the Chivalry bonus at 90. Still makes it harder for a pagan to get the needed numbers, but not quite as hard as if it were at 96.

Of course, every game is different, and YPMV.

Your best sources for how things were done will be the various Arthurian tales, but also things like Beowulf and the Viking Sagas. They often mention little deals, like a scene in one of the sagas which describes the hero coming in to visit a neighbor, who is described sitting at a table but more importantly also describes what else is happening in the manor.

I found a link on the old Nocternal site where they discussed this in detail.

http://nocturnalmediaforum.com/iecarus/forum/showthread.php?2969-What-would-an-early-manor-hall-look-like&highlight=manor+house

One point I would note - while Greg said that wattle & daub was not used by a lord on his manor, that would be incorrect-ish. A peasant would use wattle and daub. A lord would use timber beams - with wattle and daub between them - and plaster or lime/higher quality clay over the wattle and daub.

I believe that these may help:

http://www.gspendragon.com/1mapspage.html#stafford

http://www.gspendragon.com/manormaps.html

Ah - I don't own The Book of Feasts (yet). I use the Feast Data from one of the older books, which I cannot recall of the top of my head.

6 hours ago, Atgxtg said:

Indeed he is. He is holding a fine feast and is inviting every VIP he knows. He just got landed and wants to show off.  

It just seems to be a cheap way to buy glory. The PK is giving a fine feast (4d/person,) and spending £ 2. aI don't want the PKs to be buying glory at 50 per £ 1. 

Maybe the 100 glory award should be scaled to match the size and grandeur of the feast? A small feast with modest fare might only be worth 10 or 20 Glory? 

Something along the lines of cost per person times duration times a size factor?

You must remember - 1L will feed a peasant for a full year.

What if one of his VIPs takes offense at something that happened at the feast? That VIP will expect the host to make things right. ex: "HOST - your servant just spilled wine on my new cloth-of-gold outfit - I demand that you replace it"... 25L later - it is replaced.

Or another VIP challenges one of the PKs to a duel due to an offense given a while ago. How will the Host handle it.

Another thing to think about - just cuz you host a feast doesn't mean you are "above the salt" - you have to have the actual social position. What I mean is that being the host means you are at the head of the table. To be above the salt, you actually *need* a high table that is not only at the head of the table but also raised. Host PK with other PK knights - not going to be lording over them "above the salt" - and thus no +100g.

Also - where *did* you find the 100g for sitting above the salt?

Oh - it is always a big deal to host a Feast.

1. Host is spending money for food and entertainment - which is conspicuous consumption - *everyone* sees he is spending money.

2. He is hosting other people - perhaps his lord - a high glory guest - an RTK - etc etc.

Myself - I would give him either the glory for the feast itself, based on how much he is spending - OR the extra 100 glory - whichever is higher.

While the "myrmidon" were the warriors who followed Achilles, in the modern world (and in the gaming world) the word has come to represent the Greek warriors of the Hellenic period.

I would bet that if you asked most people whether the "myrmidons" were what the fighters of Troy were called, they would say "yes". The same if you asked whether "myrmidons" were what the fighters of Sparta were called.

My point here is that calling a game set in mythic Greece "Myrmidon" makes good sense, and people who saw it would probably get the idea that the game is about the timeframe of Mythic/Heroic Greece.

On ‎1‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 10:44 AM, Atgxtg said:

Is a Battle considered a single event for Glory purposes, or several connected events?

The reason why it makes a difference is that my PKs racked up a lot of glory at a huge battle and the total was over 1000 Glory, which is the limit for a single event. 

 

A single day of battle is a single event.

If a battle lasts more than one day (Badon being a perfect example), then each day is counted as a single event.

Hello,

When might we see the migration of the old Nocturnal Pendragon forums?

SirUkpyr