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On 4/11/2024 at 11:16 AM, Rick Meints said:

Going forward, we are going to be announcing a book being for sale once it is in all our warehouses. You won't be seeing "Coming in future month X" sorts of announcements.

Thanks for the update.

The delay on the Lunar Way is killing me so I understand, and agree with, the change in announcements. 

I hope we continue to get updates on what's coming next even if there's no date on when it's coming.

16 hours ago, Darius West said:

Personally I choose not to make a weak spell even more useless.  I mean, according to you, the Waha initiate accuses someone of being chaos and attacks them, then calls on the spirit, and if they are chaotic then the spirit hits them in spirit combat, and if not, then too bad, they have a dagger ax in their head, but no harm, no foul, they aren't chaos, just a big misunderstanding. 

 

Any spirit can detect rune affinities over 50% at POW x 10 meters and cult affinities at POW x 1 meters. Even if a Spirit of Law has no other special chaos detecting abilities it's going to find a target unless the summoner was really clueless about what they're up against. If it would attack someone for being a member of a chaos cult, if they've got a less than 50% chaos rune, and they weren't up to anything particularly chaotic when the spirit arrived, I'm not sure. 

Reveal Rune is the only spell that can detect chaos that I've ever heard of. It takes, at least, 5 minutes and it's an active spell. 

7 hours ago, French Desperate WindChild said:

except that they will not be able to inscribe spell (the only action requesting POW if I remember well) they are like other sorcerers.

You don't need to use your own POW to make an enchantment. A vampire worth his salt should be able to find someone to provide some. 

On 10/31/2022 at 9:56 PM, Richard S. said:

Presumably the Zzaburi can do something similar with sorcery. We do know it's magically the same as other forms of worship, in that it crosses to the other side. I'd guess that's necessary for the chain of veneration to pass MP to other Zzaburi.

I'm thinking something more like the worship leader speaks the words, or draws the forms, and the congregants chant or sing to start the ceremony, and augment the leader's worship roll. Not something permanent, like sanctified ground, but closer to an axis mundi. 

I like the idea that just having the worship Invisible God skill you can worship, regardless of sect, caste, or status, by yourself, wherever too. 

Do Malkioni need to worship on sanctified ground? 

If so, who sanctifies it?  

Has what happens when a spirit of law wins in spirit combat been detailed in RQG, or RQ2 for that matter? In RQ3 it would eat their POW, and soul, if I remember correctly. Great result in most cases. 

19 hours ago, metcalph said:

The Gods have their separate worship ceremonies which are pretty much like the pagans.  I understood the question to refer to the Invisible God.

Yeah, I was just thinking about Invisible God ceremonies.

I doubt gods would be integrated into Invisible God ceremonies in Losksam or Seshnela, regardless of what people do on the sly. 

I do imagine most everyone participating would view worship as legalistic, formalistic, and maybe, boring. But, odd as it may seem, it might be even easier for worshippers, highest to lowest, to see how their contribution helps maintain the community. 

I'm loving the book. 

Must admit it's a bit embarrassing I never thought through some of effects the great sleep in Fronela. 

Now that more aspects of Malkioni society are being explored I started wondering what a typical worship ceremony might look like. I realize they will vary greatly by sect, but will they all share some basic aspects, or be completely unrecognizable from one another?

The only things I've settled on are singing some songs from the Ice Age and a magical introduction to the divine when everyone gives up their MP's. 

The OP raises some great questions about the nature of Malkioni society.

We know that being illuminated makes you immune to spirits of reprisal. I doubt the Invisible God has spirits of reprisal. We know Malkioni need to maintain a positive Rightness score. Can an individual Malkioni raise or lower their Rightness if there's no one there to see? I would think so. If not a lone Malkioni could do whatever they want when no one is looking, illuminated or not. 

Becoming an initiate of the Invisible God might be akin to making an oath to the sect you join as opposed to standard initiation. The point of POW you give when you join, if you give a point of POW, goes to maintaining the sects magic, not the Invisible God. If an illuminate breaks an oath they suffer the consequences. I'd think an illuminated Malkioni that breaks their caste restrictions would suffer the consequences too. 

4 hours ago, JRE said:

Would you consider a humakti doing his sword exercises or training someone in the use of the sword as pious? I would.

An Issaries Goldentongue shows her piety by buying and selling, as long as she makes a profit and stays friendly with her partners.

A zzaburi shows his piety by using the revelations of Malkion to support the other castes, as directed by the talars or set in the laws of his caste. Casting spells is his role. 

I agree with your definition of piety but using the term piety with the Malkioni dredges up many tedious associations with Earth's medieval west for old timers like myself. 

We need a better term to frame the discussion. 

16 hours ago, Akhôrahil said:

Personally, think a significant part of MGF is having things make internal sense and be consistent. 

To each his own. No one ever needs to resist a spell. Always thought magic knows who wants to hurt you or not. 

20 minutes ago, Rodney Dangerduck said:

Will do.

BTW, if the fetch always adds its POW to the shaman, pretty quickly said shaman is going to have a heck of a time making POW gain rolls.  Just saying...  Am I missing something there?

Roll based on the shaman's POW. Adding the fetch's POW to the shaman's POW is for opposed rolls. 

6 hours ago, Scorus said:

RQG states: If an allied spirit is killed or destroyed, a new one may be obtained, but this is a matter for heroic deeds on the part of the priest.

Does this mean if the actual spirit is destroyed (i.e. POW reduced to 0) or is this referring to the vessel that the spirit inhabits (e.g. killing the shadowcat or breaking the sword)?

If someone sent their awakened elemental allied spirit into combat and it was killed, would they lose that allied spirit and have to quest for a new one or could they just resummon the elemental?

Good question for the QA thread. 

Can a Zorak Zorani be an initiate of Kyger Litor?

If you strictly follow the cult restrictions the answer would be no. But a troll not being a member of the Kyger Litor cult just seems strange to me. 

4 hours ago, Glorion said:

I have a fetching rules question which is rather important, if you have a shaman as I do. On p. 356, it says "when discorporate, the shaman cannot use the fetch's magic points to defend or attack, though they can use the fetch's magic points to fuel spells." IMHO a rather ambiguous statement, as on p. 368, it says "The shaman can draw magic points from the fetch at will, to replace their own, even during spirit combat." So is that using them to defend or attack, or just sort of like when a healer heals you during a battle? This sounds like a fine point, but in practice it's a huge difference, as crits on spirit combat go through all spiritual defenses, so then any fairly junior shaman is taking life in hands whenever he or she visits the spirit plane, unless it's possible to draw magic points from the fetch to heal after a crit.

A lot of that has been corrected. See: https://wellofdaliath.chaosium.com/home/catalogue/publishers/chaosium/runequest-roleplaying-in-glorantha/cha4028-runequest-roleplaying-in-glorantha-qa-by-chapter/cha4028-runequest-roleplaying-in-glorantha-chapter-15-shamans/

I think the intent of the original text was that the shaman couldn't add their POW to the fetch's POW for opposed POW vs POW rolls. All of that was changed. 

On 5/18/2022 at 6:59 AM, JRE said:

whether your soul disappears (Brithini) 

Zzabur tells the Brithini what Solace, the soul, and the possibility of an afterlife, is. If you're an immortal Brithini would you want die, slowly, to see if he is mistaken?

On the other hand Zzabur's never died, so what does he know? But who's going to ask?

9 hours ago, French Desperate WindChild said:

you may find some zz whith harmony (life should be weird, I agree) some poor trolls who had/wanted to join a desperate cult for any reason, but who were not, and stille are not, exactly a zz. Those guys are important, kind of medic in a little destroying task force. More heal, more destruction.

Having played a Death Lord, or two, medic ZZs were not a thing in our games. There was always someone willing to patch you up on your way out of town, or that would "volunteer" to tag along into the chaos nest to see to your medical needs. No need to recruit from within. An XU, that I'm happy to see well represented in RQG, were always best to have along. Except Mom would say to bring 'em back in one piece. 

4 hours ago, g33k said:

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Trollpak has several other spells:  Turn Blow, Attract Attention, Group Defense, Shield of Darkness (Chief & High Priests only); all are RBoM spells, though of course (and alas!) RBOM doesn't have the Cult-specific info.

I'd expect she'll get all the RQ2 spells. 

I wonder if Healing Trance could regrow limbs or heal characteristic loss? It never seemed like a very useful spell. It could serve as Troll version of those spells if it did. From a Gloranthan ecology standpoint you'd think Trolls would be able to heal those wounds themselves. Hard to imagine a ZZ Death Lord asking a CA healer to grow his arm back. 

As an aside, maybe Healing Trance should work with the Darkness rune. It's Life and Harmony in RBoM and it's the spell XU gives ZZ as an associate cult. The irony of a Zorak Zorani getting an xp roll in either of those runes for making that spell work is delicious, but why would they give up a point of Power to be able to try?

Her spells are in RBoM. 

I'd hope she'd get restore health and regrow limb too. 

5 hours ago, Eff said:

the assumption that Illumination turns one into an amoral sociopath has never sat well with me 

It didn't sit well with me either. But when the only examples of people openly professing being illuminated demonstrate amoral behavior on the regular, that's going to happen. 

In Belvani's case I'm not sure we know how he became illuminated, not that it matters, but it seems like he's just doing his best for Sun County through irregular means. 

On 1/20/2022 at 1:55 PM, Rick Meints said:

While you are welcome to chat about any gaming related topics you wish, including dice, please start your own thread.

The last comments have all wandered far away from the original topic.

Sorry to have contributed to thread drift with my previous comment. 

My first exposure to Runequest was run by a GM that regularly massacred each and every PC, using Melee. He branched out once and ran a session of Runequest. Every PC lived and we saved our community from a dire threat.

A community was built in from day one in Runequest. I'm here 40 years later. 

We mostly played Melee (proto GURPS I believe) back in the early '80's. All I ever saw were mimeographed pages about character creation. I've never set eyes on the actual rulebook. But even that was a vast improvement over D&D. 

Runequest was around but it took us awhile to warm to the idea of ongoing plots and characters. 

Thanks for all these postings on heroquesting. They are greatly appreciated. 

4 hours ago, dumuzid said:

Fair enough.  Who's the Nameless Man?

An evil spirit that pops up in Losksam sometimes, per Genertela Crucible of the Hero Wars, if I remember correctly.