mj6373 Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 Hey, guys, I had an interesting discussion in my campaign not that long ago that I've been thinking about ever since, and wanted to share my thoughts with y'all. It all started when I was running the Gorbuduc part of the Sauvage Quest, headed by a Jewish PK trying to rescue his son and foster daughter from the Sauvage King. We hit the part where the commoners were getting whipped harshly by Gorboduc's bandits, and PKs do a Just roll and are told on a success that it's okay for peasants to be treated that way, and my player immediately shot back, "Nope. Maybe that's Just for Christian knights, but Jewish culture has always placed a high value on taking our history with persecution as motivation to help other persecuted groups. *My* high Just score should *compel* me to intervene, not prevent it." And I agreed with the logic (especially considering Judaism has Just as a religious Trait in Pendragon, per Books of Knights & Ladies, so it'd feel especially off to rule following Jewish codes of justice as Arbitrary, even if a Christian knight might think of protecting a peasant from the whip as an Arbitrary action), but it did get me thinking about the ways the tenets and characteristics of knighthood could be interpreted differently or change across time and place, especially with regard to treatment of commoners. For one thought I had based on this, I recalled that the Honor loss for kidnapping or raping a woman, or attacking unarmed people, only apply to those of noble and spiritual status. This seems entirely fitting with the "commoners are barely even people" mindset of the Uther and Anarchy Periods, but I feel as though Arthur's concept of noblesse oblige should expand which targets of cruel violence cause Honor loss in the later Periods. Not like commoners should get *rights* or you should stop losing Honor for doing manual labor or anything crazy like that, but just as the rise of Arthur and Guenever mechanically incentivizes knights taking up better moral Traits and putting women on pedestals instead of seeing them as breeding stock with the Chivalrous and Romantic Knight mechanics, I think noblesse oblige should get some extra mechanical weight by making unjustified harm to commoners (or at least those within your own land) cause comparable Honor loss to doing so to nobles and clergy. What are you fine folks' thoughts on this? Do you have any of your own examples you've used in your games, or disagreements with either my ruling in the Gorboduc situation or my idea for changing Honor loss based on Arthur's increasing standards for knightly behavior? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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