Early game Book of the Estate

[tenchi2a]

Ok, How do you use BotE in the early game with the knights just having one manor.

A lot of the rules/sheets don't seem to work for just one manor.

1. Do starting Manors have all the included improvements listed for Estates?

2. Some Improvements (Stable) don't have rules for lands as small as £10.

3. Do you not use a sheet until the Manor is converted into an Estate? 

4. If a Manor provides £20 (Customary Revenue + Production) why does the system still call it a £10 Manor?

 

[Morien]

46 minutes ago, tenchi2a said:

Ok, How do you use BotE in the early game with the knights just having one manor.

Just treat it as a 10 libra 'estate'.

46 minutes ago, tenchi2a said:

A lot of the rules/sheets don't seem to work for just one manor.

They should, except that the assumed standard of living (such as in the Lots damaged) rules are based on 40+ estates as it assumes a Rich Upkeep rather than the ordinary one (as would be the case for a 10 libra manor). However, the formulas are correct to calculate the Army, SoL and DF.

Well there is another part which is Building an Estate, since it assumes a 50 libra estate. Hence a monetary bonus of 5 libra is mere ten percent increase for that estate, but if you don't rescale it, it becomes a whopping 50% increase on a 10 libra manor, if you use that section. If you and your players want to use it and are fine with the results, feel free. Otherwise, consider rescaling or leaving it up to the PKs to build up their manors.

46 minutes ago, tenchi2a said:

1. Do starting Manors have all the included improvements listed for Estates?

Yes, just smaller in proportion.

46 minutes ago, tenchi2a said:

2. Some Improvements (Stable) don't have rules for lands as small as £10.

All the improvements should already be scaled for 1 Space / 10 libra manors. To get the 50 libra / 5 space horse-specialized estate horseherd, you'd buy it five times.

I'll check my pdf when I have time but I am pretty sure I am correct.

46 minutes ago, tenchi2a said:

3. Do you not use a sheet until the Manor is converted into an Estate? 

Why wouldn't you use it?

46 minutes ago, tenchi2a said:

4. If a Manor provides £20 (Customary Revenue + Production) why does the system still call it a £10 Manor?

Because the value of the landholding is its Customary Revenue value that the Servitium Debitum is based on. 

46 minutes ago, tenchi2a said:

 

 

Edited July 1, 2023 by Morien

[tenchi2a]

22 minutes ago, Morien said:

Just treat it as a 10 libra 'estate'.

Ok

22 minutes ago, Morien said:

They should, except that the assumed standard of living (such as in the Lots damaged) rules are based on 40+ estates as it assumes a Rich Upkeep rather than the ordinary one (as would be the case for a 10 libra manor). However, the formulas are correct to calculate the Army, SoL and DF.

Well there is another part which is Building an Estate, since it assumes a 50 libra estate. Hence a monetary bonus of 5 libra is mere ten percent increase for that estate, but if you don't rescale it, it becomes a whopping 50% increase on a 10 libra manor, if you use that section. If you and your players want to use it and are fine with the results, feel free. Otherwise, consider rescaling or leaving it up to the PKs to build up their manors.

Seem weird that this book replaces BtoM (especially in early periods) when BotM seems to handle Single Manors a lot better.

22 minutes ago, Morien said:

Yes, just smaller in proportion.

When you say smaller proportion, some of the Improvements (Dovercote) are not listed because they are considered Included in the estate and their income is already included. So if this needs to be reduced what would its income be?

22 minutes ago, Morien said:

All the improvements should already be scaled for 1 Space / 10 libra manors. To get the 50 libra / 5 space horse-specialized estate horseherd, you'd buy it five times.

Not sure what you mean by space, I am not seeing any reference to it.

22 minutes ago, Morien said:

Why wouldn't you use it?

It seems to have way to many unused space for a £10 manor for little or no gain. 

22 minutes ago, Morien said:

Because the value of the landholding is its Customary Revenue value that the Servitium Debitum is based on. 

Ok 

[Morien]

41 minutes ago, tenchi2a said:

Seem weird that this book replaces BtoM (especially in early periods) when BotM seems to handle Single Manors a lot better.

It doesn't. BotM makes single manors much more complicated, and the investments are way out of whack, leading to exponential growth unless the GM exercises a veto on endless investments.

See BotE on Greg's comments on the matter, too.

41 minutes ago, tenchi2a said:

When you say smaller proportion, some of the Improvements (Dovercote) are not listed because they are considered Included in the estate and their income is already included. So if this needs to be reduced what would its income be?

It is included and scales. No adjustment necessary. 

A 10 libra manor has a dovecote that matches its size. Already included.

A 50 libra estate has a huge dovecote (or several smaller ones) by comparison, providing about five times the doves to be cooked. It is all in the default, don't worry about it.

41 minutes ago, tenchi2a said:

Not sure what you mean by space, I am not seeing any reference to it.

It should be mentioned in the investments (Requires Space or somesuch) and is explained in the beginning of that section.

41 minutes ago, tenchi2a said:

It seems to have way to many unused space for a £10 manor for little or no gain. 

Obviously, since it is intended to fit a whole estate, too. 

Edited July 1, 2023 by Morien