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    Exploring Glorantha since 1989.
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    HeroQuest (English and Deutsch) in the world Glorantha.
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  1. Thanks to everybody for these insights and suggestions. I guess in my Glorantha Waertagi are a bit less human and a bit more mermen, following the descriptions of Forgotten Secrets and More Forgotten Secrets. I like the idea they look like Deep Ones from the Cthulhu Mythos.
  2. I believe it was meant the other way around: rolled success - bumped up to critical.
  3. In my opinion both in Esrolia and in Sartar the price and dowry are not connected to the six gender roles. Instead they depend on the marriage status of the respective partner. The only difference is that in Esrolia the Esrolian marriage is the standard, whereas in Sartar Husband and Wife marriage is standard. If for some reason the marriage would be with an underwife or underhusband this would be reflected in price and dowry as well.
  4. It very much depends on the kind of marriage. Remember that there are seven forms of marriage and each would result in a different financial transaction. It is also a matter for negotiation with many parameters like reuputation, skills etc.
  5. 1. If you have 15 Mastery your target is 15. If you succeed you have a success. If you have a Mastery more than the restistance you bump that success to a critical. So the rule from HQ to QW stayed the same, only in QW the shortcut was explained at that point. 2. If both sides succeed but you have a Mastery you can still bump up the result. 3. Yes. It is a succes plus a bump. Also note that you can use masteries to bump down your opponent in case you already have a critical (that is not possible with hero points). That is my understanding, although I don't have the rules at hand at the moment. I think there are no differences between HQ and QW in the topics above.
  6. Yes, I meant that picture, although I didn't post it here, because I think it is still copyrighted. From what I read in More Forgotten Secrets fins seem to be easily possible. I imagine them now a bit like the crew of the Flying Dutchman in Pirates of the Caribbean, showing all degrees between "almost completely human" to "almost completely mer-creature". I still wonder what kind of clothes they would wear. I reckon it would be rather rudimentary, without boots, belts or other heavy leather objects, probably always prepared to dive into the sea.
  7. Thank you. Although it's only a small paragraph it's actually quite helpful.
  8. I am looking for a picture of a Waertagi. So far I could only find one in the Anaxial's Roster. I know the book is not canon anymore, but is the picture still considered accurate? If no picture is available a more detailed description would be interesting. The Guide p. 465 describes them only in one sentence. Do they have "normal" skin texture? What do their faces look like? And also: would they wear clothes or rather go naked? Do they have tattoos?
  9. Thank you. I didn't realise that the text was changed. Almost identical passages appear in the other two books I mentioned above but without the bits you highlighted. I thought the books were still canon. I will yet have to determine how this is going to affect my Glorantha.
  10. King of Sartar p. 205 / Sartar KoH p. 207: "Marriage among the Orlanthi is a mutual bond between participants; it is both exclusive and monogamous." In my Glorantha this includes Underwife- and Esrolian Marriages. The main difference I see there is status and property. Anyway, thank you all for your help. I am running a campaign where all these questions are relevant at the moment. The player characters are not directly involved (i.e. neither defendant nor plaintiff) but they are neutral clan members who have the duty to investigate and eventually to recommend a solution. I am curious how they will decide.
  11. I am sorry if I offended you. It was not my intention to waste anybody's time. If I made a mistake it was an honest one. I meant that I knew the paragraph about bloodlines, but in my understanding it does not mention kinstrife, and the paragraph about kinstrife does not mention bloodlines. I therefore assumed kinstrife can also happen between different bloodlines of the same clan.
  12. I know the Orlanthi marriages. I would even say monogamy is *always* a part of it, and extended absence does not soften it. So adultery does not automatically result in divorce? Any objections? I know that paragraph. It is from the same text. But it doesn't mention kinstrife and from what is written I for one cannot deduce that kinstrife only happens within a bloodline and not a clan. What makes you say it is? Any views from the others on this? Ok, you convinced me here. 🙂 Thanks for the clarification. I like that idea. I think I will use it for my campaign. I don't think that is likely. First of all it would be a major affront. The household and next of kin would be embarrassed and ashamed, and it would certainly lead to outlawry. Secondly the clan chief usually has the means to execute his decisions. Otherwise he wouldn't be chief for long. Surely there are enough competent warriors who would love to kick the perpetrator off "his" land.
  13. First of all, thank you for the very many replies. They are very helpful. Some points are clearer to me now. However, I have still questions. I tend to disagree here. See SKoH p. 217: "Wergild applies only when a person kills or assaults a person from a different clan; it never applies when one member of a clan kills another – such murder is kinstrife and is beyond the scope of Orlanthi law and custom." It doesn't mention bloodlines. Also p. 276: "Since Starbrow’s Rebellion, the Colymar have been torn apart by kinstrife between two claimants to the tribal kingship, both from the same clan – Queen Leika and King Kangarl." Again it doesn't say they are from the same bloodline, and I believe they are not. I understand that compensation / wergild is only paid between clans. While a chicken might be private property and not so much the clan's I believe the rule stays the same. I agree. Still mundane jurisdiction would have to punish too. They cannot solely rely upon the gods to make things right. If the leaders failed to uphold justice they would become like Tragic King Errarth, who did not punish adulterers and had to pay for his negligence. Yes, but what if doesn't come to divorce? They might be several reasons why the other clan would not pursue this course. A divorce is always complicated and might be costly. In my example above it was a one-time lapse. The marriage may still be more or less intact. If there is no harm done to the other clan they don't have the right to compensation. Or does any kind of adultery always entail divorce? Can the chief really do that if two bloodlines are disputing? I agree with your view on cattle ownership and I like the idea of status punishment (lots of plot obstacles, although I don't know if that is really an option). But I disagree to the freedom issue, unless of course the perpetrator was outlawed first. Otherwise it should be impossible to impose a prison term or thralldom to an active clan member. If there are no mitigating factors people have no reason to stop after the first transgression. If it doesn't matter whether you have been unfaithful once in your life or every single day of the year, you may simply keep on doing it. It is possible and there are many RW examples for similar systems, but I find it odd. Yes, but I guess it still happens. There is a law against it, what means there is a need for it. Suddenly I feel old myself 😉 Sounds good. And 1. is only applicable between clans or between bloodlines as well? I don't see it that way. Modern gangs are rather small entities with laws the members have given themselves. If they have such laws at all and are not governed by personal prowess, charisma and intimidation. The Sartarites have an oral judicial system but they trace it back to Heort, Vingkot and Orlanth, even to Umath. On Lawstaff Day the recite all the important laws they know. That doesn't sound to me like like a juvenile gang.
  14. I wonder how criminal justice and punishment works within a clan. Both SkoH and KoS explain in detail how justice works between clans. It is also said that there is no law for disputes within a given bloodline. That brings me to my questions: Are disputes between bloodlines handled the same way as between clans? What methods of punishment exist beside wergild and outlawry? Wergild is only applicable between clans, and outlawry is only justified for major offences. Example: Two people from the same clan but different bloodlines get into a brawl and one breaks the other’s jaw with his fist or pokes his eye. That would be kinstrife and demands punishment. But what kind of punishment? Wergild doesn’t work but even lesser outlawry seems too harsh, at least in case of the broken jaw. Are there mitigating factors? Wergild is scalable from a single sheep to a large herd of cattle. Besides that there seems to be only lesser and greater outlawry. Example: Two people from the same clan come before the clan ring and without indictment they confess their adultery. It happened at Voria’s flower day, both feel very ashamed and it will never happen again. Surely it is still adultery and needs punishment. But it doesn’t seem to be as severe as a long and secret love affair that is only uncovered by divination or interrogation (scenes from KoDP come to mind). Of course there could be compensation claims to or from another clan for breaking the bond of marriage. But besides that, would their own clan still outlaw the culprits?
  15. Thank you @jajagappa I like that, especially no. 3.
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