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Compare special results. Then compare differentials. This preserves roll lowest is best.

If you can't subtract a pair of double digit numbers, or use a ubiquitous calculator to help you, then you aren't going to be able to handle the nuance of the plot in my games.

That's about as solid and clear a reason as you'll see. Pity, but this is a business.

On 11/26/2018 at 5:08 PM, Rick Meints said:

As somebody who does have access to what is left of the print numbers for "Golden Age" chaosium publications, they list three Stormbringer printings in our corporate records. I don't mind what's on the list of versions, but I'm not going to go that deep when I list them on Chaosium's master historical SKU list. After all, the dice they put in the box varied too, and the catalog placed in the box changed about every 3 months, as did the reader response card. Heck, one archive copy we had in the Hayward office had both rulebooks in it... 🙂

Ha! That's awesome!

Whether or not it's official, these variations/versions/printings/editions/synonym/synonym/etc. exist. As long as it's treated as good fun for collectors, I think that ambiguity is okay.

I didn't know there were multiple printings of this one! Neat! Something else to find!

On 11/11/2018 at 2:31 PM, Rick Meints said:

I will of course always defer to people who were there at the time, but I have a feeling that some of the various "printings" were more a "use whatever stuff is on hand" than specific planned releases. I believe that as they ran out of rulebooks they got more printed, and incorporated the errata. When they ran out of boxes they printed more boxes, and updated them along the way. It's also possible that people made mistakes and used older stock when they were supposed to not use it. Regardless, I mainly see 4 printings at work here, centered around when they deliberately changed an item. I'm absolutely not trying to argue. 

I'm quite sure you're right. It's definitely not as clear cut as a printing from a mainstream book publisher, but the term has been adopted by the collectors of these things as a differentiator of versions. Absent 30+ year old corporate records, which may not have existed in the first place, people piecing these bits of info together are our best guess.

With box sets, there is the additional issue of frankensteining parts from one to another. I've owned and looked at enough Stormbringer boxes that I feel pretty confident that the list I referenced is accurate. But there is always more to discover!

On 11/11/2018 at 11:12 AM, lawrence.whitaker said:

All changes are since the second printing.

Then I guess the obvious followup question would be: Is there an equivalent file for 1st -> 2nd print?

X = box set

H = hardcover

HA = hardcover autographed (but I think Rick made that one up for his records; don't think it's an official Chaosium code)

Also, there are more printing variations of 1E and 2E than in Rick's list. See my recent post at the Acaeum clearing it up (we think): https://www.acaeum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=296537&c=1#p296537

Is the attached changes pdf all the corrections since the first printing, or just since the second?

You're right - Maelstrom should be a very nice fit for running games in Harn.

Late to this discussion, as I check in here infrequently. BRP family games have been the focus of my collection for many years. To keep some semblance of control to this (and it already spans several bookcases), I've thought about what a BRP/d100 game is for me.

One subtle criteria that I look for is the SIZ characteristic (or something by a different name serving the same role). It's in almost every game that I qualify as being part of the family, and I don't believe I've ever seen it outside a BRP family game as a factor in skill values.

Skill use as the cause of skill improvement is important.

Stats on a 3-18 scale. CoC 7E gets an exception due to the long history. If a future edition strays much further, I might not include it.

Anther thing I look for is a d100 roll under skill mechanic that IS the system. If you have resolution for combat or other significant task in another form, it doesn't qualify. And it has to be d100. The only d20 exception for me is Pendragon and its kin, because of other strong connections.

Lastly, could I take material from another supplement in the family and use it 99+% as written? If I have to write down conversion notes, then it's too far removed for me.

9 times out of 10, I can look at the character sheet and know if it meets my criteria or not.

I have all the English language items on the list except the following, because I've looked at them and  don't consider them as part of the family:

Bushido, Daredevils, and Aftermath

James Bond 007 and Classified

Warhammer 40,000

Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay (actually I do have all of the 1E & 2E material for other reasons, but I don't consider it BRP related)

Eclipse Phase

Twilight: 2000

Barebones Fantasy, Covert Ops, and FrontierSpace

After Zombies

Trudvang Chronicles

Lost Roads Of Lociam

That doesn't mean the above aren't interesting or don't have material that could be used with some effort. It just means that they don't fit my core criteria.

Harnmaster is a tough one. I'm hugely biased. The only significant body of RPG material I like more than BRP is Harn. Creating a BRP/Harn hybrid would be a lot less work than other conversions, but I don't think it reaches the 99% line. Maybe 90-95%. A lot of the modern starting skill structure we see (Mythras et. al.) is very similar to Harnmaster. But the magic system is harder to reconcile. Ultimately, I don't know, and my bias makes it impossible to decide. I have all the material either way.

All that having been said, I think the list is interesting! I can think of only a few obscure items that aren't listed (GORE, Mythworld, Bloodquest, Wraith Recon, Historia Rodentia, Magic & Flintlock, Eternity Realms). Good job!

Why a new edition of something this recent?

I didn't pledge because I didn't know about this project. Did you send messages to backers of prior projects?

On 2/22/2018 at 3:57 AM, Mankcam said:

Age of Treason existed prior to Legend. The Iron Simulacrum book I have definately has the MRQ2 logo on it. 

I'd be very interested to see that! I've seen it only with the Legend logo (or more specifically, I have seen images of it with the MRQ2 logo, but never an actual book, so I assumed they were pre-production images that didn't really exist). Would you be able to share a pic?

On 2/5/2018 at 11:55 AM, jean said:

I found some more products

8307 MRQ2 The Hoffman Legacy (for Deus Vult)

I think it was pdf only

 

Some products were sold as MRQ2 but Legend compatible

6195 MRQ2 Age Of Treason : The Iron Simulacrum

8316 MRQ2 Age Of Treason : The Iron Companion

20100 Wraith Recon

20102 Wraith Recon Spellcom

 

Jean

 

 

Wraith Recon items - good catch!

Everything else you mentioned didn't exist until the Legend era.

On 2/5/2018 at 11:55 AM, jean said:

I found some more products

8307 MRQ2 The Hoffman Legacy (for Deus Vult)

I think it was pdf only

 

Some products were sold as MRQ2 but Legend compatible

6195 MRQ2 Age Of Treason : The Iron Simulacrum

8316 MRQ2 Age Of Treason : The Iron Companion

20100 Wraith Recon

20102 Wraith Recon Spellcom

 

Jean

 

 

Wraith Recon items - good catch!

Everything else you mentioned didn't exist until the Legend era.

Rick,

I have all of the (English language) Mongoose stuff, so I can fill in a bunch of stuff for you:

8113, 8135, 8151, 8154, 8158, 8165, 8184, 8185, 8188, 8196, 8197, 8201, 8210 - Confirmed, I have all of them

8114 - Confirmed, but was a pdf only

all of your ???s are skipped numbers (or could be foreign editions, I guess)

8125, 8126, 8127, 8203 - Deus Vult material that doesn't exist for those product numbers. 8203 see 8188. 8125-8127 didn't exist until the Legend era.

There are other bits and pieces. Unnumbered items, items produced by other companies for MRQ/MRQII, etc. If you ever get serious about a MiG update, let me know.

These came with separate printed 12 page handout booklets (two copies of that booklet, actually, for reasons I don't remember). But there were no separate map inserts.

It's not listed in the map index in the back. I'd guess that it doesn't exist.

I immediately thought gug as well. That's the most similar.

I'm in!

You note an errata sheet in the description. Was that an actual item that I overlooked, or just a term describing the errata that has been collected so far?

Will they be integrated into a corrected print version, or just left as Downloads?

On 6/30/2017 at 9:59 PM, Ethereal said:

It is from Raymond E. Feist's Series of Krondor, 'Magician: Apprentice', 'Magician: Master' Novels, etc. Originally printed by Midkemia Press as

more of a Universal supplement, 'Tulan ofthe Isles', 'Carse' and 'Jonril' were converted to a D100 format by Chaosium (all with maps). Included in a

similar format was 'Thieves World' (also with map) and 'Thieves world Companion'. The last two had stats for multiple game systems (including

D100, A.D. & D. etc.) . I have used both 'Carse' and 'Tulan of the Isles' as a game master. They are good supplements. There is also a supplement

called 'Cities' that also originally came from Midkemia press that Chaoisum published later that is a good source for creating encounters and

populating cities, towns and villages.

There wasn't a d100 version of Jonril, just Tulan and Carse.

On 6/19/2017 at 5:47 PM, Newt said:

I can count sales of the previous print editions of Basic on one hand.

Ooh - I own a rarity!

To my knowledge, that GM Screen was never actually published. If someone can confirm that it actually exists, that would be interesting!

Any update on the color version?