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  1. To definitively end with this discussion, i can suggest everyone interested on this subject to read in the Glorantha sourcebook the Runes chapter and especially the What is magic sub chapter (p198). You can read things like that in it: Spirits are associated with Rune power (specialized one) and that's how they can grant rune magic to their followers.
  2. Thanks, i haven't seen this phrase before and i have learn a new thing! About runes and gods, we can read the following thing in RQG, p 13: So, perhaps, us, poor humans can not understand and still be at loggerheads about this! (And thanks Tindalos)
  3. My point of view is that every gloranthans that have met a dog and a stone are knowing very well the distinctions between their nature and they could explain it in a very consistent way. But for gods and spirits, they can not... If they can not it's because the difference is not obvious! If it's not obvious, their can not be a huge difference in their nature, no?
  4. The complete sentence in the book is: "Most Gloranthans distinguish between gods and spirits; however, such distinctions are not consistent and vary from religion to religion " So i am thinking that if not all gloranthans aggreed on what exactly are distinctions between spirits and gods there could not be a lot of differences between them.
  5. In the Glorantha sourcebook p 198 in Gods, Spirits, Heroes and Demons we can read a litlle more information: We can see that: So it seems that there are very few distinctions between spirits and gods, except that about spirits: One thing that make gods being gods is their living in God Time. Heros and Demigods have a partail existance in the God Time. They didn't born with this, so it is possible to gain this existance. Perhaps spirits cults become a "true" divine one if the spirit exist in the God Time (and wish to become one)...
  6. I am liking all your post. Like other posts i have seen elsewhere, it put to front the fact that our Glorantha game depend on our point of view and must be a compromise between game master and players point of view, according on what allow the rules. My personal point of view is only becoming from the last edition materials (RQG), and some lesser reading from RQ 2 materials. I am waiting for all new materials. In a lot comments (in all threads), i can read that there are a lot of differents thoughts about Glorantha things (differences between gods and spirits, how shamanism is working, etc...). But i think that we have to find our own Glorantha, according to what we think and what can be fun (It's also an idea that is written regularly in posts). My feeling is that there is no Absolute Truth about some glorantha things so you have to make your own.
  7. I completely aggree with that. Spirits can changed from their own, but gods can not... So it could be better to stay a spirit!
  8. I have taken the time to well understand (i hope) all what you have said there. Now i am asking myself few more things. I have notice that spirits and gods are both living in the spirit world (according to a lot of things in the RQG book, as spirit encounter table in the spirit world). Spirits and gods seem to be of the same nature, but with differences. The most important difference, as i understand it, between gods and spirits is that spirits seem to be free, but gods are living in the "time of gods" (perhaps not the good words), due to the end of the lightbringers quest. But it seems that a spirit can become a god, if he is worshipped by a sufficient number of people (as i understand it). I am thinking that when a spirit become a god he is also tied to the god's time. Or perhaps a spirit never could become a god? (In this case what is preventing some powerfull spirits to become as powerfull as some gods and take their stance?) But what exactly is allowing a spirit to become a god? Does a god turn back to spirit state, without been tied to god's time? If spirits and gods are so closed in nature, why all gods can't be venerated by shamans, but only priests? (turning a litlle back to the previous discussion there! ) Thanks
  9. But in the Glorantha Sourcebook he appears in the Deities of Air chapter, p 120. Where Air gods are listed...
  10. Thanks! About entities that are both gods end spirits, do you think at the Gretear Entities, for example, like Daka Fal and the Fathers of Beasts? From your point of view, if i understand well, there can exist subcults of Yinkin that worship one of his son, who is a spirit, and have shamans?
  11. In some replies of this thread i can read that Shaman worshipping and theistical worshipping seems to be two different and not compatible ways. But p 306-307 in RQG we can read that Yelm have both shamans and priests in his cult. And nothing says that a Yelm shaman can not become also a Yelm priest...
  12. I apologize, due to my low english skill level i haven't written as intended... I would like to says that Yinkin is both an animal god and an orlanthi one! I am not sure that Yinkin himself have decided to give up it's animal part when he choose Orlanth prior to his father. He don't renounced to his grands parents relationship (according to the fact that his cult is associated with their one). I am not sure that every animal god is friendly with all other. So Yinkin could be at war with his father and others beasts gods, but stay an beast god himself! I think that he love Orlanth a lot and choose is side prior to one other, but stay like he is... One thing that i think is that Yinkin is a very loyal personage. When he choose Orlanth side, he's never betrayed him... Loyalty seem to be one important thing to him. Perhaps he give up his father because his father try to force him to do something Yinkin really don't wanted. But i am not sure that he could done it without that kind of thing... He never give his grands parents up... As i understood "generally worshipped theistically" means that he could be worshipped in the shaman way, no? Plus, for example, Daka Fal shamans are also priests of his cult. So it's possible to be both a priest and a shaman.
  13. According to Daka Fal associated cults part, p 291 in RQG: "As with Odayla, Yinkin is a fellow ancestor worshipping cult"
  14. But his grand parents are very closed to him, according to the fact that their cult is an associated cult of Yinkin and they provide Yinkin initiate with the Transform rune. Plus like Odayla and Daka Fal, Yinkin cult is an ancestor worshiper cult... So i think that's their is some duality in him...
  15. Thanks, i aggree, and will speak to my game master about it! (I am playing a Yinkin initiate!)