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    Toward a Better Kralorela

    in Glorantha

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    32 minutes ago, g33k said:

    Since when have Gloranthophiles and fans NOT told Chaosium the stuff the do -- and don't! -- want to see?

    I'm not seeing that this topic has crossed over into any new territory in any fundamental way.

    You missed this bit then. 

    4 hours ago, JonL said:

    I point out that even well-intentioned people who grew up in an environment where Racism is present are likely to unknowingly carry some of that that forward in their work, and that listening to people unlike themselves is the best way to avoid doing that. 

    An accusation of racism is crossing over the line. The demand that Chaosium runs their creative process on Kralorela past someone of East Asian origin is crossing the line. I'm rather tried of self appointed moral arbiters seeking to draw artificial boundaries. The entirety of human history and pre history is full of technology, customs and religions spreading across the world, to the general benefit of the human race. The demand that everyone to stick to thier culture or be accused of culture appropriation is ahistorical and denies the human creative impulse and desire to explore. 

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    Toward a Better Kralorela

    in Glorantha

    Posted

    41 minutes ago, JonL said:

    I am of no particular consequence. Ironically, the only person trying to center this discussion on me is yourself.

    It is fortunate then that I have done no such thing, but instead pointed out an approach for making richer creations without alienating people.

    Please tell me what right you have to tell others what to do. You are the person trying to tell Chaosium what to do and accusing them of racism. I'm telling you that you have no right to tell anyone what to do. 

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    Toward a Better Kralorela

    in Glorantha

    Posted

    3 hours ago, JonL said:

    I make no demands.

    I have observed how past mistakes have had unintended negative consequences, and suggest common-sense approaches to avoid those same mistakes in the future, and make better games in the doing.

    I point out that even well-intentioned people who grew up in an environment where Racism is present are likely to unknowingly carry some of that that forward in their work, and that listening to people unlike themselves is the best way to avoid doing that. 

    You have an overblown sense of your on importance. You not the moral arbiter of the universe and the world does not revolve around you and your  observations. You don't get tell everyone else what they can or cannot create. 

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    Toward a Better Kralorela

    in Glorantha

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, JonL said:

    Not at all.

    My position is that if you want to create things that reflect those different from yourself, you would do well to involve them in the process, or at the very least get feedback to make sure you're not accidentally being disrespectful.

    Is it really a stretch to suggest that If I wanted to write a supplement that is set in Quebec,  that it would likely turn out better if I ran a draft past my friends in Montreal and listened to what they had to say about it?

    No you are still saying that the creative process must be validated by race. That is the point you have made in every single post. You have demanded the right to censor on the basis of skin colour. You have decided that Chaosium writers are racists because they wrote a fantasy with elements of Chinese culture because they are not Chinese. 

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    Toward a Better Kralorela

    in Glorantha

    Posted

    12 minutes ago, JonL said:

    That's not what I'm saying.

    What I'm saying is that if you do so without any involvement or feedback from people who are from that culture, you're probably going to make some mistakes.

    If this is done in an environment where members of the referenced culture are also subject to institutional/societal Racism, those mistakes will probably replicate some of the crap from that surrounding environment, even if unknowingly, and in a small way be part of the bigger problem.

    So why not take steps to avoid that, and likely make for a better game at the same time?

    There's no downside that I can see.
     

    Your position is that the creative act cannot be valid unless you have the right colour of skin. 

    Gods and Goddesses of Glorantha

    in RuneQuest

    Posted

    22 minutes ago, Rick Meints said:

    Please don't ask us when a book will be printed and for sale. We don't have all the art yet, nor has it gone to layout. It is in final editing and proofing.

    We would love to give estimates, but people get upset, disappointed, or sometimes even angry at us if we are late on an estimated date.

    You wont give a date even if I sacrifice a point of POW at sacred time?  

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    Is GanEstoro also known as Vogestes the Spearman?

    in Glorantha

    Posted

    47 minutes ago, Nevermet said:

     

    And it's also good to remember "Error" in whose eyes.  The Entekosiad is blurry about it, but there are a lot of traditions layered on top of one another, and I suspect that some of them view Vogestes as more in error (Carmanian religion focused on dualism, the Jernotian Way and its rejection of human sacrifice), than others (Pelanda before the High Gods were established by Jernotia, the revival by Natha the Sacrificer during the Bleak Times, which I'm assuming is strongly related to Spolitism).

    My memory maybe faulty, but isn't Natha, the name for the current incarnation of  Sedenya?

    Tea in Glorantha

    in Glorantha

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    1 hour ago, g33k said:

    Yeah, but I meant the whole thing where he was struggling to resist, but overcome by his Passion:Pedantry.  Such a clear portrayal of the new RQ mechanics!   😁

    That said... it was of course said in snark, not seriously 😉 

     ... and this is probably enough of a mechanic-specific sidetrack for the world-centric subforum?   🙄

    Thread derailment is an action of a trickster, so technically it's still world-centric. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

    Tea in Glorantha

    in Glorantha

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    10 minutes ago, g33k said:

    Does Gloranthan "tea" default to Camellia sinensis?  Does it do so broadly, or only regionally?

    My RW understanding is that various infusions & tisanes have been used in most cultures 'round the world, even before the "tea" plant came out of Asia.  Even today, one might hear "chamomile tea" or "mint tea" and presume it to be without any "tea" (C. Sinensis) in the brew...

    I presume that herbal infusions are similarly widespread & similarly variable as to ingredients.

    Are there any uniquely-Gloranthan tisanes, based on herbs that don't exist in the RW?

    Must resist

    Must resist

    Ahh I failed my pedant roll.  The word Tea comes from  Chinese and into European languages via Dutch. The word was retrospectively applied to herbal infusions. That's much better, I can relax now.

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    Tea in Glorantha

    in Glorantha

    Posted · Edited by albinoboo

    21 minutes ago, Sir_Godspeed said:

    @Joerg, @scott-martin
    On the topic of Runner reproduction, I was reminded of an online world-building/speculative biology project that I quite love. It features a kind of animal-derived plant where every other generation is sessile and mobile. It's not spot on for Aldryami, but there are some interesting parralels. The mobile (haploid) generation is referred to as "mobile fruit". Not sure if Runners can be seen as "autonomous seeds" or "autonomous saplings" or somesuch (iirc they are derived from smaller plants in a relationship roughly size-analogous to humanoid Aldryami) but hey.

    https://sunriseonilion.wordpress.com/ilion/species/red-plants/

    Similar to what I was thinking. I was looking at large scale fungal zoospores.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoospore

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    Tea in Glorantha

    in Glorantha

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    1 hour ago, Joerg said:

    There  is also the role of milk in tea preparation left to discuss.

    Green and Earl Grey tea is normally drunk without milk. In addition, lemon can be used instead of milk. The order in which the milk or tea is added is also important. Originally, low quality cups would crack if you put the tea in first. Expensive porcelain cups wouldn't, so the order in which you put the tea and milk in was a demonstration of status. Perhaps Malkioni caste rules on what order you can put milk in and the use of lemon.

     

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    Tea in Glorantha

    in Glorantha

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    I suspect the monkeys  are a reference to the PG Tip teabags adverts.  They featured anthropomorphic chimpanzees on ads between 1956 and 2002. 

    51 minutes ago, Qizilbashwoman said:
    • Oh, I didn't mean the Runners, although that's interesting, I meant the monkeys!
    • Thank goodness and all praise David Millians. It would be entirely feasible to de-orientalise Kralorela! The entire premise is fascinating in the first place: draconic enlightenment.

    All other Gloranthan cultures are smorgasbord of bits of European, Middle Eastern, Indian, and Central Asian cultures. What's the difference?  

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