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    Glorantha caught me right before puberty and I never really got away.
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    Killing the god with the silver feet, one clack at a time.
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  1. Love it. Yelm is a healing god so a few short poems Greg commissioned once just emerged and might be a decent fit for you and a great private in-joke or reference: How we choose to move away from the heavy core to the light is all in Thanks and What is spun between us and sun is named light and felt as what living is: built all in bright and let on to our position is constant beauty.
  2. The Free Men of the Sea could have done it on their own if first contact happened in the half century between Taniens Victory and the New Dragon Ring conquest (718-768). I don't mind camellia sinensis jrustelii originally being imported to Kralorela by foreign pantomime "mandarins" as almost a subversion of the imperialist trope . . . maybe David will weigh in on his next orbit. On the other hand, the East could have sourced it themselves well before that, although in that scenario it's curious why we find no reference in the East Isles as yet. Maybe a tea dryad from the Errinoru World Tour entourage got left with the Fethlon for some reason and it spread from there. I'm not 100% convinced camellia sinensis jrustelii and camellia sinensis kralor are even the same plant or have the same effects. Kralorelan "tea" may be a broad category of boiled plant matter extracts, some of which make you sleepy, produce visions, soothe the stomach, support the libido and so on. The Guide is ambiguous. Caffeinated gardeners in Old Seshnela a must. My belief on runners is that they do not personally reproduce sexually or otherwise but are a perpetually juvenile and self-replenishing resource the forest uses in its own reproductive process . . . sort of a signifier of plant love at work. When you see runners gathering the forest is expressing itself. Elves reproduce. Runners "are" the reproductive organ or at least a metaphor the forest supports. This is why they get so angry when you harvest their runners for the exotic pet trade and why, he drawled as though knowledgeably, Voria and Voriof figure in more civilized agrarian cults, no longer children of the forest but children of the field. They aren't participants in the actual rites but their presence points to older green worlds.
  3. "Inorganic dirt is expelled," according to Thorloss the Scribbler's contribution to TROLLPAK. This seems to still have enough nutritional value to keep a trollkin alive but unhappy, but after that point it's probably leeched completely free of organic compounds. IMG it smells like pool purification tablets and makes aldryami high from the nitrogen rush.
  4. Got to have a place to put all these reminiscences of murdering god.
  5. even the blue man has something like nightmares
  6. PART TWO I got to pull that one down again this evening and it's interesting how little overlap there is with the Roots of Glorantha series. The Enerali descriptions, for example, start out recapitulating the old material but the technological / religious revolution that created the Galaninites is new. Seshnela in that period was busy consolidating Tanisor so if Greg knew or cared what was going on farther north, the narrative doesn't give him an opportunity to say. The early Seshnegites never pushed inland beyond Vustria and seem ignorant of anything beyond Wenelia along the southern coast so most of the Lands of the Council never enter into this layer of the text. There are scattered references to Srvuela on the other side of Kartolin where Gbaji has his power base but the point of view doesn't really encourage detailed description -- ironic, given your observation earlier that later development would focus almost exclusively on regions that contributed to the God Project. Much of it builds more directly on the Genertela box. Halikiv will never be a nation of human metal workers again . . . we have trolls now, they can be trolls. I don't recall an earlier reference to Hrelar Amali so the whole thrust of the Dangim and the Dari changes. The entirety of the Nysalor story now derives from the Cults of Terror version . . . the extant texts focus on Argat and if Greg gave much thought to Gbaji's origins beyond "bad god causes trouble" those pages are regrettably lost. I don't even recall seeing the name of any of the countries Argat devastates along the way. They are full of Kolati and Sunchen though. And endless waves of Krjalki. The most interesting new material in the BCG seems to be the development of Ormsland into the "Serpent Beasts" zone showing up on the Guide maps at the Dawn. The notion of this being a "reptile hsunchen" ecosystem that later gets organized under Gita Flatsnout is pretty amazing. I also suspect the motives of everyone who signed off on planting a dragonewt colony there. While the Genertela Box showed us the dragonewts, the dynamics around hsunchen/newt interactions probably prefigure EWF in a lot of ways. I'm not sure Arkat killed all the hsunchen. Maybe some laid eggs or took flight. Later on the Serpent Beasts had always been there. And so it goes!
  7. Last bit from me tonight because I am literally all out of reacts, but postulations like these are liable to get us both roasted sooner or later. I love it. Bracketing potential typographical errors in Revealed Mythologies, the Waertagites are perplexing for many reasons, of which their relationships to other triolini nations and the wareran race are not the smallest. "Each of the Major Tribes has their own Origin of Malkion the Founder story, of which the Aerlit/Warera myth is one. This one even sounds like it could be the Waertagi story." Page 25 is a swipe from the Book of Foreigners so is very old.
  8. This is cool. The cryptic line in the Malkioni Glossary is that Hrestol originally worshipped Malkion(2) in the form of Malkion "the Founder." Of course this is also the text that notes that it was Waertag who Aerlit and Warera produced, contradicting other versions in which the Waertagites are either children of Malkion by yet another mother or an entirely separate tribe. So its accuracy is slippery. The most extensive list of Wives of Malkion that I have seen has Phlia Tilnta, Elela Triolina and Yena Wambla, mother of Menena. At least one version shows Phila as mother of the Horalites where Elela may be mother of Waertag, the original warrior brother Gwymir and the three other caste fathers we know about. So no ENGR there . . . but what had been preying on me is that some people in the genealogies are denoted "Engrion," which is the experimental caste-sharing council an early king of Brithela set up after seeing the derring-do the Seshnelans could get up to. (The next page, tantalizingly labeled "The Rebellion of Kaldes," is blank.) However, going back a bit reveals that "It happened that in Seshnela after the Dawning, Duke Froalar married the Goddess of that land and became king. Through new laws from Malkion, who they called Engr, they had destroyed the castes and formed a single one called Engroni (knights)." So there we have that. Before Malkion in Seshnela they called him ENGR, which may well be the name they knew in the north. Maybe they were all ENGRovalini in those days, except the ones who weren't.
  9. Thanks. I think the hurdle I had with your initial "The Loskalmi love Malkion" outside a historical perspective is the statement that "To the worshippers of Irensavel, Malkion was the evil and corrupt demiurge whose purpose was to keep people in the gross and bloated clutches of the material world." The cryptic 2007 observation that "Loskalmi are not Malkioni" is also in the background. We out here would call the NHI a "Malkionist" philosophy because that's what the burden of the publishing tells us. I simply wonder whether the people of modern NHI Loskalm would call themselves "Malkioni" and identify with a name they associate with their particular devil. My suspicion is that the name came with the Return to Rightness, but in that scenario Nenanduft and Isefwal would have known him by another name. Or if they knew him as Malkion, they would have needed to discover his demiurgic identity within a particular historical context. Maybe they were the people who knew him as ENGR, although my current thought is that this is a private name used among the Waertagites and only occasionally shared with their land children or cousins. Or maybe they're the ones who use the Kiona / Ordelvis terminology, although I doubt that too. That feels more like an island taxonomy. Maybe Hrestol brought Irensaval and/or Malkion to the north under those names. That's interesting too. Would love to know more.
  10. Thanks! So as far as the original question goes, Malkion(eran) was loved in Loskalm by that name as of year ____ ST?
  11. Ridgely uses EMI (Orchestral) as the devil card in her sonic tarot for a reason! This is a great point. Sometimes Charlie was running the west so this may be his fault, the diabolical triton(e).
  12. (with apologies to St Johnny of Lydon . . . or is that Sâr or Sri Johnny since he ain't dead yet?) Trying to pin down exactly when "Malkion" becomes the name of the Invisible God in various regions of the western diaspora I come up against the mysterious ENGR again as an archaic local cognonym, epithet or failed anagram. Who recognized him as ancestor by that name? What does that tell us about the true + secret history of the west? I have my thoughts but talk too much and they lead to places that get me roasted for blasphemy.
  13. It's a good question. I suspect this will ultimately make Library Use a really cool and closely guarded skill.
  14. That thread got a little complicated, doesn't it? Listen hard enough you can hear at least one heart crack. Innerworlder2000, if you see this, I want to hear about that game of yours! I wrote a long dull thing on how the north can be a stronghold of Hrestolism while rejecting Malkion even though Hrestol is a historical response to pre-Dawn "Malkionist" thought . . . but suspect everyone here can figure it out. The history of the west is one of perpetually failed reform, efforts to get back to an origin that may never even have existed at this point. Then I wrote a shorter weird thing on how the north was more receptive to Gbaji philosophy and the purges were less strict, with traces ultimately incubating there before finding their way back to Spol as part of Irensaval, the resistance ideology turned invasive creed. But it was too weird. It's interesting how Syranthir wasn't the only heretic fleeing the Kionavaran conversions . . . "many virtuous Loskalmi went into exile." Where did they go? Probably a lot went south and married into Safelstran families, bringing their philosophical traditions with them. More probably went up river and started cities. I currently slur the old "Sir" as "Sri" because "Sifu" didn't really cut it. People hear what they need and we all get on with it. The horses in their "chivalry" probably derive from later Eneralite conversions and this is probably one of Sri Ethilrist's most arcane secrets. But I do think the Bailifids are caste transgressors. They're really a horalite warlord family who stepped into a vacuum and coveted a crown they can only fathom as another kind of projectile weapon. This throws off their entire structure and their magicians will always lose. Then I think about the Saints of the Great Trek and think I know where the last real talars left alive in the imperial heartland went. So that's nice.
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